Coinbuf Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 (edited) Better And you are certainly a very special person. Edited February 7, 2022 by Coinbuf James Zyskowski and tj96 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimeslot Posted February 7, 2022 Author Share Posted February 7, 2022 On 2/6/2022 at 10:02 PM, Woods020 said: You do realize gold melt is $1750 give or take for this coin right. He is telling you that no one will pay a premium above that, and I agree. You can have a slabbed, MS62 example without any problems for $2200 or so. This isn’t a rare coin where the lions share of value is collector value. As with the majority of gold coins the majority of value is in the metal and collector value is minimal until high grades. The good news is a problem gold coin still holds a large amount of its value. Many coins of other metals the value is almost exclusively collector value and you would really be screwed. I'm a CPA so I don't need much help with math. You say this isn't a rare coin but you have no idea if it will get the PL designation so your opinion is premature. Woods020 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimeslot Posted February 7, 2022 Author Share Posted February 7, 2022 On 2/6/2022 at 10:16 PM, Coinbuf said: Better And you are certainly a very special person. That's an acceptable surrender Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coinbuf Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 On 2/6/2022 at 9:17 PM, Dimeslot said: I'm a CPA so I don't need much help with math. You say this isn't a rare coin but you have no idea if it will get the PL designation so your opinion is premature. No one cares how much you want to brag, and for someone that claims to be educated you sure get triggered easily. James Zyskowski 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tj96 Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 On 2/6/2022 at 11:17 PM, Dimeslot said: I'm a CPA so I don't need much help with math. Coinbuf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimeslot Posted February 7, 2022 Author Share Posted February 7, 2022 On 2/6/2022 at 10:19 PM, Coinbuf said: No one cares how much you want to brag, and for someone that claims to be educated you sure get triggered easily. I have yet to brag about anything. Stating my profession (especially such a boring one) is hardly bragging. I'm flattered that you must resort to lying in order to criticize me. Reality is a nice place. You should visit some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woods020 Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 On 2/6/2022 at 10:17 PM, Dimeslot said: I'm a CPA so I don't need much help with math. You say this isn't a rare coin but you have no idea if it will get the PL designation so your opinion is premature. Ok. You got me. I’m just a dumb state school kid with graduate degrees in economics and statistics. I should never have attempted to try and calm down the situation with adding and subtracting numbers to try and make you feel better. My apologies and I have rightly been put in my place. Now will you explain what this PL means you keep talking about? What is the qualifier? How many prooflike coins with details have been graded? I’m learning a lot here. Coinbuf and tj96 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimeslot Posted February 7, 2022 Author Share Posted February 7, 2022 On 2/6/2022 at 10:21 PM, tj96 said: What task did I fail? I can multiply $1,811 by .9675 just fine. Another person who flatters me because they must resort to lying to criticize me. tj96 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coinbuf Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 (edited) On 2/6/2022 at 9:21 PM, Dimeslot said: I have yet to brag about anything. Stating my profession (especially such a boring one) is hardly bragging. I'm flattered that you must resort to lying in order to criticize me. Reality is a nice place. You should visit some time. Just as soon as you my friend I'm a big shot CPA Yea let the balloons loose. See in the adult world we don't have to brag about ourselves to get the point across, you will learn this when you grow up. Edited February 7, 2022 by Coinbuf James Zyskowski and tj96 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimeslot Posted February 7, 2022 Author Share Posted February 7, 2022 On 2/6/2022 at 10:22 PM, Woods020 said: Ok. You got me. I’m just a dumb state school kid with graduate degrees in economics and statistics. I should never have attempted to try and calm down the situation with adding and subtracting numbers to try and make you feel better. My apologies and I have rightly been put in my place. Now will you explain what this PL means you keep talking about? What is the qualifier? How many prooflike coins with details have been graded? I’m learning a lot here. You incorrectly assumed that I needed help calculating the melt value of a double eagle. And then you say you tried to make me feel better by adding and subtracting numbers? You drunk? You know they slab proof coins with details grades, right? It's not my job to educate you so do your own research on the numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimeslot Posted February 7, 2022 Author Share Posted February 7, 2022 On 2/6/2022 at 10:23 PM, Coinbuf said: Just as soon as you my friend I'm a big shot CPA Yea let the balloons loose. See in the adult world we don't have to brag about ourselves to get the point across, you will learn this when you grow up. You are evidently addicted to lying. I feel really sorry for anyone who thinks a CPA is a big shot. You continue to flatter me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coinbuf Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 On 2/6/2022 at 9:18 PM, Dimeslot said: That's an acceptable surrender I figured that balloon animals and cartoons are just your speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woods020 Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 On 2/6/2022 at 10:27 PM, Dimeslot said: You incorrectly assumed that I needed help calculating the melt value of a double eagle. And then you say you tried to make me feel better by adding and subtracting numbers? You drunk? You know they slab proof coins with details grades, right? It's not my job to educate you so do your own research on the numbers. No I was actually trying to be helpful. You came to a newbie forum and said you weren’t getting facts, so I gave them to you. I never intended to imply you can’t figure out melt value, or that you were in some way incompetent. I was actually trying to say it’s better to have a gold coin with problems than an expensive silver coin with problems. But shame on me for trying to be helpful and nice. James Zyskowski 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coinbuf Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 On 2/6/2022 at 9:28 PM, Dimeslot said: You are evidently addicted to lying. I feel really sorry for anyone who thinks a CPA is a big shot. You continue to flatter me... Thats ok you continue to show yourself for what you are, I never said a CPA is a big shot, only that you needed to say that to feel important. Please read and follow along or you will be left behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woods020 Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 On 2/6/2022 at 10:27 PM, Dimeslot said: You incorrectly assumed that I needed help calculating the melt value of a double eagle. And then you say you tried to make me feel better by adding and subtracting numbers? You drunk? You know they slab proof coins with details grades, right? It's not my job to educate you so do your own research on the numbers. I think I did read that somewhere that proof coins with details can be slabbed. If they won’t I know a guy that can slab them in his moms basement. Looks pretty good too. Just tell him what grade you want it to say on his homemade label. My question wasn’t can a proof coin with details be slabbed. My question was can a circulation strike coin get both a proof like designation and be harshly cleaned. By definition they shouldn’t, but I’ll admit I don’t know the answer to that. And I’m not being a smart . I don’t buy or sell many proof like coins cleaned with a garden rake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimeslot Posted February 7, 2022 Author Share Posted February 7, 2022 On 2/6/2022 at 10:30 PM, Woods020 said: No I was actually trying to be helpful. You came to a newbie forum and said you weren’t getting facts, so I gave them to you. I never intended to imply you can’t figure out melt value, or that you were in some way incompetent. I was actually trying to say it’s better to have a gold coin with problems than an expensive silver coin with problems. But shame on me for trying to be helpful and nice. I never said anything about not getting facts. Please try harder to understand my posts. I said I was only getting vague opinions without sufficient explanations to back them up. Two very different things. This whole thread is based on opinions not facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimeslot Posted February 7, 2022 Author Share Posted February 7, 2022 On 2/6/2022 at 10:32 PM, Coinbuf said: Thats ok you continue to show yourself for what you are, I never said a CPA is a big shot, only that you needed to say that to feel important. Please read and follow along or you will be left behind. Is there any lie that you won't tell? It is laughable to think I would state my boring profession to try and feel important. You continue to flatter me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimeslot Posted February 7, 2022 Author Share Posted February 7, 2022 On 2/6/2022 at 10:35 PM, Woods020 said: I think I did read that somewhere that proof coins with details can be slabbed. If they won’t I know a guy that can slab them in his moms basement. Looks pretty good too. Just tell him what grade you want it to say on his homemade label. My question wasn’t can a proof coin with details be slabbed. My question was can a circulation strike coin get both a proof like designation and be harshly cleaned. By definition they shouldn’t, but I’ll admit I don’t know the answer to that. And I’m not being a smart . I don’t buy or sell many proof like coins cleaned with a garden rake. There you go being helpful again. I see you prefer coins that look like pewter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coinbuf Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 On 2/6/2022 at 9:42 PM, Dimeslot said: You continue to flatter me... It sure is laughable that you think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woods020 Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 On 2/6/2022 at 10:41 PM, Dimeslot said: I never said anything about not getting facts. Please try harder to understand my posts. I said I was only getting vague opinions without sufficient explanations to back them up. Two very different things. This whole thread is based on opinions not facts. You’re right I don’t understand them. All the crying incessantly about getting “vague” answers and no one giving you specific answers. I took that to mean you wanted specific, fact based answers. Clearly I was wrong again. I really am an insufficiently_thoughtful_person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woods020 Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 On 2/6/2022 at 10:44 PM, Dimeslot said: There you go being helpful again. I see you prefer coins that look like pewter. No I prefer coins that look like they did when they left the mint and have been properly stored and maintained. I do enjoy some legitimate toning on a coin, but pewter wouldn’t be my first choice of the colors of toning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKurtB Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 On 2/6/2022 at 10:21 PM, Dimeslot said: I have yet to brag about anything. Stating my profession (especially such a boring one) is hardly bragging. I'm flattered that you must resort to lying in order to criticize me. Reality is a nice place. You should visit some time. So you’re a Certified Party Animal? Cool. Party on. Coinbuf and RonnieR131 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post VKurtB Posted February 7, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 7, 2022 On 2/6/2022 at 10:22 PM, Woods020 said: Ok. You got me. I’m just a dumb state school kid with graduate degrees in economics and statistics. I should never have attempted to try and calm down the situation with adding and subtracting numbers to try and make you feel better. My apologies and I have rightly been put in my place. Now will you explain what this PL means you keep talking about? What is the qualifier? How many prooflike coins with details have been graded? I’m learning a lot here. None, as far as I am aware. PL and “details” are incompatible. RonnieR131, Coinbuf and Woods020 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woods020 Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 On 2/6/2022 at 11:30 PM, VKurtB said: None, as far as I am aware. PL and “details” are incompatible. That was exactly what I was trying to make mister know it all understand. I have never seen it, and logically it shouldn’t be possible. Coinbuf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoghead515 Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 On 2/6/2022 at 11:11 PM, Dimeslot said: If (and I realize it's a big if) this coin gets a MS PL Details grade and you think I couldn't get more than melt for it when there are only 40 PL coins for that year/mint, you are indeed special. APMEX sells generic cleaned Liberty Heads for $1,929 (that's $177 and 9.8% over melt) so you've already lost. Your insecurity shows when you add additional qualifiers. I'm not going to give a buyer a pop quiz to satisfy you but I understand that you want to give yourself a way to weasel out. Do you even know what PL means? P.S. - You should use more emojis. Theres no way a cleaned coin will get a straight grade. It will get a DETAILS grade. If it gets the DETAILS they wont give it the PL or MS designation. Coinbuf and James Zyskowski 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hoghead515 Posted February 7, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 7, 2022 (edited) No need to take it out on everyone else here because you got burned. That was no ones fault but your own. My advice would be, if your gonna pay that much money for a coin look it over really good first. If it looks like someone took a wire brush to it dont buy it unless your buying it for melt prices or its a very rare date. Edited February 7, 2022 by Hoghead515 James Zyskowski, JKK, Woods020 and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post VKurtB Posted February 7, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 7, 2022 On 2/6/2022 at 11:40 PM, Woods020 said: That was exactly what I was trying to make mister know it all understand. I have never seen it, and logically it shouldn’t be possible. One of my personal favorite lines: ”These people who think they know everything really annoy those of us that do.” It’s meant to be ironic, but on here, not s’much. Hoghead515, Woods020 and Coinbuf 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JKK Posted February 7, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 7, 2022 On 2/7/2022 at 12:47 AM, Hoghead515 said: Theres no way a cleaned coin will get a straight grade. It will get a DETAILS grade. If it gets the DETAILS they wont give it the PL or MS designation. We need a FU designation. For when it's beyond DETAILS. RonnieR131, Coinbuf and Hoghead515 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post J P M Posted February 7, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 7, 2022 (edited) On 2/7/2022 at 1:36 PM, JKK said: We need a FU designation. For when it's beyond DETAILS. Not like FUBAR , But we could call it FUCAC that would be F%#Ked UP COIN AFTER CLEANING Edited February 7, 2022 by J P Mashoke RonnieR131, Woods020, Coinbuf and 3 others 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post VKurtB Posted February 8, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 8, 2022 A coin that very well may (or may not) be an impaired proof (looks like one to me from the later pictures) cannot achieve a consolation prize of proofLIKE. If it’s not a proof, if it has damage, it cannot be PL. If it IS a damaged /impaired proof, it could EITHER receive a PF with a number lower than 60, but more likely slabbed as details. Details WITH PL isn’t a possibility. Ain’t no such animal. The coin is worth bullion. Period. Woods020, Hoghead515 and Coinbuf 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
