1992 D LMC CAM?'s
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Hey all good evening/day.

So the one I was flipping is not a CAM(close AM).

Some of the others are I think, the whole pile is 1992 or 1992 D LMC's.

My question is how close is close?

Some are way wide and have been separated from these, I've got a bunch more of them was just checking myself.

Yes I've seen the pictures for it, but when I'm finding at least two different closer versions and one super wide.

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As far as I know they pretty much have to be touching one another. They can be tricky to the point it’s eye straining. Your best bet would be to get a LCD microscope to make it easier. At least that’s what I’ve done. 

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All outside 4 top and bottom, click on my picture enjoy my 64 mega pixel camera :). Of course these are rough just seeing opinions.

Yes the scope is nice for like 10x but for loop or close, normal zoom on pictures is the same as 3x in my opinion.

Thanks all

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Also compare them to the close AMs in your pile. There’s nothing different from those and the one you’re looking for. If they aren’t touching or at least a paper’s width apart then it’s not a CAM

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On 11/7/2021 at 6:34 PM, SlickCoins said:

All outside 4 top and bottom, click on my picture enjoy my 64 mega pixel camera :).

Yes the scope is nice for like 10x but for loop or close, normal zoom on pictures is the same as 3x in my opinion.

Thanks all

Ok well by me zooming in on your coins I personally can confirm none of those are CAM’s. Top middle ones hard to tell because of the glair from the light. 

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On 11/7/2021 at 6:47 PM, SlickCoins said:

Like this,,,

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I’m not even sure about that one but I’m not an expert on these things lol. I know there’s an identifying marker in STATES to but I didn’t get that far into researching the WAM’s and CAM’s yet. I took a break from it and moved on to nickels 😂 I’ve been separating them from wheaties and any other foreign coins to 60’s 70’s 80’s on up. Then I’m going to look for errors by years. It may seem like it’s a waste of time but a lot less of a chance I’ll miss something. But honestly just by the pics you’re showing I don’t see any of them being remotely close enough to be a CAM. There is another way of telling though so you may want to do a little more research before you get to excited. Plus your the luckiest person in this hobby if you’ve found more then 1 in that pile.

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Oh nice, also sorry all I just checked the wide ones are mixed in again my bad. :) Oh during COVID coin shortage I exchanged at least $20k in quarters nickels dimes and cents, big time hours sitting and sorting out the ones that might be something then with my cassida c300 coin machine I wrapped them and delivered them to my customers. Coin piles for days, you should see my pile of 1983's LMC.

Thanks again, yeah I was just thinking cause some just seem normal and others seem wide and then of course the ones I think are closer.

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I’d take one from mine and show you but I can’t seem to take pictures on my tv screen without the MB being more then required. All I know is if you can see the separation with your own eyes then it’s most likely not a CAM. It’s like maybe a hairs width in between of separation. I think also the chances of you coming across more then one is very very slim unless you got a uncirculated roll of those years and varieties and by the looks of them that’s not the case.

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Oh, yeah cause the TV is HD therefore more megabytes are required, is say crop but it's still to much HD.

Yeah it's hit and miss coin roll hunting that's for sure.

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On 11/7/2021 at 7:21 PM, SlickCoins said:

Oh nice, also sorry all I just checked the wide ones are mixed in again my bad. :) Oh during COVID coin shortage I exchanged at least $20k in quarters nickels dimes and cents, big time hours sitting and sorting out the ones that might be something then with my cassida c300 coin machine I wrapped them and delivered them to my customers. Coin piles for days, you should see my pile of 1983's LMC.

Thanks again, yeah I was just thinking cause some just seem normal and others seem wide and then of course the ones I think are closer.

Yeah I think this hobby sky rocketed because of Covid😂 

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On 11/7/2021 at 7:28 PM, Keith Dee said:

I’d take one from mine and show you but I can’t seem to take pictures on my tv screen without the MB being more then required. All I know is if you can see the separation with your own eyes then it’s most likely not a CAM. It’s like maybe a hairs width in between of separation. I think also the chances of you coming across more then one is very very slim unless you got a uncirculated roll of those years and varieties and by the looks of them that’s not the case.

Keith....unless he has uncirculated rolls from very late in the production of cents in 1992, ol' Slicky likely has a better chance of being struck by lightning and then visiting China and digging up a specimen of the Late Jurassic theropod dinosaur Anchiornis than having multiple 1992 CAMs.  Apparently, as far as I can tell, PCGS has graded 22 1992 Philly CAMs and 5 1992-D CAMs.  I checked NGC's Census and they show a total of 10 P's and 37 D's and you know that some of those are resubmissions.  So, by my research, you have 74 1992 CAMs in the censuses of NGC and PCGS.  In contrast, there are 200 unique specimens of Anchiornis known.  And speaking of Anchiornis, here he is:

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I wonder what the average hourly rate is for people who look in roll after roll of coins (for which they probably paid a premium to start with, and which likely had been gone through by knowledgeable people before selling it) hoping to find a valuable coin.  I would bet it's well below minimum wage.

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On 11/7/2021 at 8:25 PM, 124Spider said:

I wonder what the average hourly rate is for people who look in roll after roll of coins (for which they probably paid a premium to start with, and which likely had been gone through by knowledgeable people before selling it) hoping to find a valuable coin.  I would bet it's well below minimum wage.

I'm certain it is.  When I was much younger than I am now, I used to do this a lot.  I did find some things, but nothing that made it a cost effective or profitable venture.  Eventually, I figured this out and I stopped.  The only time I look through rolls of coins now is when we get quarters for our laundry and that's because we have the rolls anyway and it kills some time at the Laundromat.  I've found some W's, but they've been very spread out over the course of 2020 and 2021.  They're certainly not enough to have made deliberately taking time and using gas to obtain them profitable, but since I found them doing something I had to do anyway, they were fun to locate.

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On 11/7/2021 at 5:30 PM, Mohawk said:

I'm certain it is.  When I was much younger than I am now, I used to do this a lot.  I did find some things, but nothing that made it a cost effective or profitable venture.  Eventually, I figured this out and I stopped.  The only time I look through rolls of coins now is when we get quarters for our laundry and that's because we have the rolls anyway and it kills some time at the Laundromat.  I've found some W's, but they've been very spread out over the course of 2020 and 2021.  They're certainly not enough to have made deliberately taking time and using gas to obtain them profitable, but since I found them doing something I had to do anyway, they were fun to locate.

When I was a kid, I would buy rolls of coins at the bank, and look through them for ordinary coins I didn't have in my collections.  That was fun, and it's not like I had more profitable things to do with my time when I was 13.  More recently, I filled the states quarters and America the Beautiful quarters albums by roll prospecting, but I certainly knew that it would be much more cost-effective just to buy complete collections.  But I enjoyed the relatively high yield of doing that, and it got me attached to the albums, even though they are common, circulated coins.  But prospecting for rare varieties is not, I suspect, a fruitful/high yield venture.

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That all sounds like a ton of fun actually, Mark.  I think if you're having a good time and you're not looking at roll hunting as a financially gainful venture, then there's nothing wrong with that at all!  Fun is its own reward, if you ask me.  But these people who watch these idiotic, sensationalist videos on YouTube (YouTube is to coin information what Etsy is to coin shopping) and think they're going to retire by roll hunting, that's a whole different issue.

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On 11/7/2021 at 5:41 PM, Mohawk said:

That all sounds like a ton of fun actually, Mark.  I think if you're having a good time and you're not looking at roll hunting as a financially gainful venture, then there's nothing wrong with that at all!  Fun is its own reward, if you ask me.  But these people who watch these idiotic, sensationalist videos on YouTube (YouTube is to coin information what Etsy is to coin shopping) and think they're going to retire by roll hunting, that's a whole different issue.

I justify this hobby by (i) making sure I'm having fun along the way, and (ii) taking reasonable precautions so that when I do spend real money on a coin, it's something of an investment, not money down the drain.  So far, so good, and my ever-loving wife doesn't have any problem with it.

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On 11/7/2021 at 8:54 PM, 124Spider said:

I justify this hobby by (i) making sure I'm having fun along the way, and (ii) taking reasonable precautions so that when I do spend real money on a coin, it's something of an investment, not money down the drain.  So far, so good, and my ever-loving wife doesn't have any problem with it.

Then it sounds to me like you're doing it absolutely right!! Nothing wrong with anything you described.  Now, with me and my fiancée, the problem is that we both have the collecting bug.....her with Morgans and Peace and me with ancients, coins with birds and other dinosaurs on them and now my Egyptian Gods exonumia project.  But we're also good at making sure the other one doesn't get too crazy with things......which is a good thing at times, let me tell you!!!

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I'm not saying I've got a bunch of them but who knows I'd say I've got at least 100+ brand new W quarters, that's the only thing I can guarantee some kind of pay.

If a person sold them raw $15 per is about right, graded ms67 goes for I think around $700 not saying I have that high but who knows right.

They are the only coins that scream guaranteed money, all other coins would be a hit and miss type basis.

The hours OMGosh almost as much as I'd give gaming, I'm easily in the 250hr+ area lol😂

Doh 😣, only time will tell I've got a bunch.

Thanks again all

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On 11/7/2021 at 7:21 PM, SlickCoins said:

Oh nice, also sorry all I just checked the wide ones are mixed in again my bad. :) Oh during COVID coin shortage I exchanged at least $20k in quarters nickels dimes and cents, big time hours sitting and sorting out the ones that might be something then with my cassida c300 coin machine I wrapped them and delivered them to my customers. Coin piles for days, you should see my pile of 1983's LMC.

Thanks again, yeah I was just thinking cause some just seem normal and others seem wide and then of course the ones I think are closer.

So you basically took stacks of coins and made single date rolls like rolls of all 72, or 83 pennies and  sold them. Oh and I call Wide AM's ( Wam's ) and Close AM's ( Clam"s )  a  ( CAM ) to me is a Cameo Coin  

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On 11/7/2021 at 8:25 PM, 124Spider said:

I wonder what the average hourly rate is for people who look in roll after roll of coins (for which they probably paid a premium to start with, and which likely had been gone through by knowledgeable people before selling it) hoping to find a valuable coin.  I would bet it's well below minimum wage.

You return the coins so no money lost

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On 11/8/2021 at 6:12 AM, J P Mashoke said:

So you basically took stacks of coins and made single date rolls like rolls of all 72, or 83 pennies and  sold them. Oh and I call Wide AM's ( Wam's ) and Close AM's ( Clam"s )  a  ( CAM ) to me is a Cameo Coin  

I haven’t sold anything nor rolled them into single dates. And I don’t know why others on here feel the need to correct someone’s wording when they know exactly what the other person is talking about like really🤣

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I totally agree CAM sounds like it would be short for cameo :)

Yes I exchanged the change back over, they are trying to find out if everything if anything is sold then break that down by hour, kinda like an hourly job :)

Yeah I started to find the actually number of W quarters, lol not one weir farm W quarter.

The 1992 close AM cents is one of the possible money makers along with the 1983 LMC of course If I get lucky and find a copper cent.

They are right if it wasn't for the W quarters, it's tough to say an hourly wage.

I'll get a total number of W's to help our breakdown.

Pretty much I think the total per box was one hour to search and one hour to wrap them, total 2 hours per box give or take.

Thanks all

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On 11/8/2021 at 3:48 AM, Keith Dee said:

You return the coins so no money lost

I understand the process of picking through rolls of coins, and returning those you don't want to keep.  My point merely was that if you divide the value of the rare coins you find that way by the number of hours you spend prospecting, I'd bet it's below the minimum wage.  Far be it from me to cast aspersions on how others choose to spend their time; I spend immense amounts of time (and money) doing astrophotography (you know, splashy photos of galaxies and nebulae), so if someone enjoys coin roll prospecting, go for it. 

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On 11/8/2021 at 11:23 AM, 124Spider said:

I understand the process of picking through rolls of coins, and returning those you don't want to keep.  My point merely was that if you divide the value of the rare coins you find that way by the number of hours you spend prospecting, I'd bet it's below the minimum wage.  Far be it from me to cast aspersions on how others choose to spend their time; I spend immense amounts of time (and money) doing astrophotography (you know, splashy photos of galaxies and nebulae), so if someone enjoys coin roll prospecting, go for it. 

And that’s what I say. That’s why they call it a hobby. I have other hobbies  that cost way more and doesn’t give any return other than joy.

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When I fly my drones I don’t sit there and think about what I could be making had I been at work. Nor do I do that when I’m coin roll hunting. I’m not after that super rare coin that no one can find. I’m after any coin that’s old, rare and or just plain interesting even if I’m the only one that thinks so. 

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Well yeah if we just went cents,,, l lol would be making cents per hour.

Everything is chance, just like playing the lottery.

Yeah as it stands right now, I'm down roughly $1400 total cash spent give or take,,, and all I've got to show is a possible lightly cleaned 1834 Half Dime LM3 variety which Mr Lange identified for me/us, ty kind sir

Yeah it's a gamble, just like going to the casino in a way or at least the winning part,,, this one rocks I've got tangible stuff :) after all is said and done.

Also thanks to you guys,,I kinda retired the coin roll hunting for now.

Anyways great stuff, also yes Keith I agree :)

Thanks all

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