RWB Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 (edited) "Boiling to Death Boiling to death was usually reserved for poisoners, coin forgers and counterfeiters. It involved being flung into a cauldron of boiling water or oil and the accused would slowly scald to death." [https://www.history.co.uk/shows/britains-bloodiest-dynasty/] Have a nice day! Edited September 15, 2021 by RWB RonnieR131 and GoldFinger1969 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member: Seasoned Veteran DWLange Posted September 15, 2021 Member: Seasoned Veteran Share Posted September 15, 2021 Far more effective than just banning them from EBay... Cat Bath and RonnieR131 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mohawk Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 (edited) Wow.....the Medieval Period.....what a time to be alive!!! I had a history professor during my undergrad work said that it was his opinion that the Medieval Period was the single worst phase of human civilization to be alive in if you lived in Europe or the Near East.....and things like what is discussed in this article totally back up his stance!! I know the article was U.K. based but I wonder if the Eastern Romans did stuff like this.....I bet they did. They sure dearly loved their blindings and slicing off noses.....I could completely see boiling people alive for them. They had some nice coins and artwork, did those Eastern Romans, but I sure wouldn't have wanted to live there!!! Edited September 15, 2021 by Mohawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zadok Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 On 9/15/2021 at 4:59 PM, Mohawk said: Wow.....the Medieval Period.....what a time to be alive!!! I had a history professor during my undergrad work said that it was his opinion that the Medieval Period was the single worst phase of human civilization to be alive in if you lived in Europe or the Near East.....and things like what is discussed in this article totally back up his stance!! I know the article was U.K. based but I wonder if the Eastern Romans did stuff like this.....I bet they did. They sure dearly loved their blindings and slicing off noses.....I could completely see boiling people alive for them. They had some nice coins and artwork, did those Eastern Romans, but I sure wouldn't have wanted to live there!!! sounds like afghanistan today....just give it a few more years the way things heading n can witness it first hand here.... RonnieR131 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Henri Charriere Posted September 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 16, 2021 On the bright side, if you want to call it that, was the rise of the penitentiary system as a civilized response to the over thousand offenses, many petty, that routinely resulted in a sentence of death carried out in many torturous ways, e.g., the Rack, the guillotine, hanging, boiling in oil, etc. Oh, and have a nice day! 😉 numisport, Mohawk and RonnieR131 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mohawk Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 On 9/15/2021 at 8:15 PM, Quintus Arrius said: On the bright side, if you want to call it that, was the rise of the penitentiary system as a civilized response to the over thousand offenses, many petty, that routinely resulted in a sentence of death carried out in many torturous ways, e.g., the Rack, the guillotine, hanging, boiling in oil, etc. Oh, and have a nice day! 😉 Well, compared to all of that fun Medieval stuff you listed, Quintus, the penitentiary system IS a bright point!!! Much more humane for sure!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zadok Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 On 9/15/2021 at 8:15 PM, Quintus Arrius said: On the bright side, if you want to call it that, was the rise of the penitentiary system as a civilized response to the over thousand offenses, many petty, that routinely resulted in a sentence of death carried out in many torturous ways, e.g., the Rack, the guillotine, hanging, boiling in oil, etc. Oh, and have a nice day! 😉 oh please mr magistrate whatever u do, dont send me to australia.....sydney, melbourne, canberra all those horrible places...i wont steal anymore bread.... Mohawk and RonnieR131 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 On 9/15/2021 at 8:47 PM, zadok said: oh please mr magistrate whatever u do, dont send me to australia.....sydney, melbourne, canberra all those horrible places...i wont steal anymore bread.... "Transportation" to Australia and Devil's Island off Guyana was implemented, and abandoned, long long ago. The Walnut Street Jail in Philadelphia gave way to the "congregate" and "solitary confinement" systems with "legal electrocution," introduced at Auburn State Prison in New Yok after experiments on AC vs DC current. Many jurisdictions have facilities under Federal oversight. Rikers Island is "physical." The Federal BOP is "psychological." @RWB, our lifelong resident scholar has tastefully confined his remarks after only scratching the surface of medieval punishments, which are pursued at length on the web. (The last time I recall the subject was brought up was when a spike-studded "iron maiden" was recovered by the American military in Uday [older son of Saddam] Hussein's backyard when the family deserted Baghdad. RonnieR131 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKurtB Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 You don’t have to go back that far to find truly sadistic behavior in Britain. The 18th century illustrates the Crown’s extreme cruelty just fine. RonnieR131 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Abshier Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 Sounds like the Extra crispy version . I’ve heard of counterfeiters being hung and having their hands chopped off , never heard of the boiling water/oil death Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWB Posted September 16, 2021 Author Share Posted September 16, 2021 (edited) On 9/16/2021 at 6:27 AM, Jason Abshier said: Sounds like the Extra crispy version . I’ve heard of counterfeiters being hung and having their hands chopped off , never heard of the boiling water/oil death A "crock pot" version (the Bull of Phalaris) was also popular -- at least in parts of ancient Greece. It would have been a dandy way of discouraging counterfeiters. RE: "...with "legal electrocution," introduced at Auburn State Prison in New Yok after experiments on AC vs DC current." As happily encourage by the lovingly creative Thomas Edison. He began by electrocuting mice and worked his way up to elephants, then sold the idea to criminal justice fans for human use. Edited September 16, 2021 by RWB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmarguli Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 Boiling to Death! It's amazing how times have changed. Today we call counterfeiters 'artists' and they create 'fantasy pieces' and they are put in slabs by reputable TPG. ldhair and RonnieR131 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT2 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 Starts me to a thining maybe they were right. I think we shold return to the middle ages RonnieR131 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mohawk Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 (edited) On 9/16/2021 at 4:15 PM, JT2 said: Starts me to a thining maybe they were right. I think we shold return to the middle ages As someone who took entire college level courses on the Byzantine Empire and the Medieval Caliphates, trust me, you do not want that. Edited September 17, 2021 by Mohawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrikeOutXXX Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 (edited) Yikes! And I thought all the hangings in the US/Colonies in the 1700's/early 1800's for counterfeiting was rough. They still have an execution cauldron on display in the Netherlands if that's your idea of sightseeing! Edited September 17, 2021 by StrikeOutXXX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWB Posted September 17, 2021 Author Share Posted September 17, 2021 Might be a way to discourage overgrading.....? Cat Bath and RonnieR131 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 Now, wait a minute. Boiling cauldrons are okay for a guy caught with 37 pewter of Fustina the Middle-Ager coins colored appropriately, But what about the young woman caught with one, O-N-E Del Monte double saw buck? She's no felon; in fact, she's rich! The vast majority of counterfeiters, I am sure you will agree, are purveyors of rare old coins and obsolete currency, paintings by the masters, (overlooked by the experts) stuff like books, (which encouraged the notoriously silent Howard Hughes's autobiography (Clifford Irving's labor of love, 1971) to emerge from his penthouse in the desert) and various paintings, which the well-heeled class liked so much they bought it anyway.) Now, if the ordinarily mild-mannered member, Just Bob, token reporter for a great metropolitan newspaper -- and you voice violent objections, the mischievous vapor, Quintus, will swiftly delete vestiges of his caustic commentary immdiately,never to be see again. Let's face it, "overgrading," particularly when endorsed by a major TPG -- to a buyer, represents nothing more than the Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval, awarded en masse by a group of graders sitting en banc, as judges, with a Finalizer having last word on an assemblage. (To my knowledge, the bad guys had the last word, expressed in moving pictures like "Scorpio" and Clint Eastwood in Dirty Harry. 🐓 RonnieR131 and Mohawk 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonnieR131 Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 All I know is that my collection of fake Morgan dollars that my wife bought on line when I first got into numismatics, (she didn't know any better) is going to the garage ready for my grandkids to tack on to the fence post and target practice on. Boiling, uh uh, a crime deterrent from hell for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWB Posted September 18, 2021 Author Share Posted September 18, 2021 On 9/18/2021 at 9:49 AM, Quintus Arrius said: Boiling cauldrons are okay I have no objection to "boiling caldrons," teapots, soup spoons, or Mason jars. People should be dipped in a good seasoning first -- and maybe some Panko bread crumbs. Mohawk and RonnieR131 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mohawk Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 On 9/18/2021 at 9:49 AM, Quintus Arrius said: Fustina the Middle-Ager coins Okay, now THIS I love, Quintus!!! I didn't know that's who I was collecting though toward the end of her output, Faustina was indeed headed into middle age........ I feel like I've made an impact here now that what I collect has officially made it into a Quintus Arrius post RonnieR131 and Henri Charriere 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 On 9/18/2021 at 7:48 PM, Mohawk said: Okay, now THIS I love, Quintus!!! I didn't know that's who I was collecting though toward the end of her output, Faustina was indeed headed into middle age........ I feel like I've made an impact here now that what I collect has officially made it into a Quintus Arrius post A Quintus Arrius post on a thread thoughtfully provided by @RWB ! Thanks, it doesn't get better than that! 🐓 Mohawk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mohawk Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 On 9/18/2021 at 9:52 PM, Quintus Arrius said: A Quintus Arrius post on a thread thoughtfully provided by @RWB ! Thanks, it doesn't get better than that! 🐓 Indeed it does not!!! I have truly arrived!!!! I'm so glad I came back here RonnieR131 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKurtB Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 (edited) On 9/17/2021 at 9:04 AM, StrikeOutXXX said: Yikes! And I thought all the hangings in the US/Colonies in the 1700's/early 1800's for counterfeiting was rough. They still have an execution cauldron on display in the Netherlands if that's your idea of sightseeing! From Kawfee Talk: “I’ll give you a topic. The Holy Roman Empire was neither holy, nor Roman, nor an empire. Discuss.” Edited September 20, 2021 by VKurtB Mohawk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zadok Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 On 9/20/2021 at 4:32 PM, VKurtB said: From Kawfee Talk: “I’ll give you a topic. The Holy Roman Empire was neither holy, nor Roman, nor an empire. Discuss.” yea but they had Charlemagne..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKurtB Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 On 9/20/2021 at 3:38 PM, zadok said: yea but they had Charlemagne..... Does Linda Richman know this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zadok Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 On 9/20/2021 at 5:02 PM, VKurtB said: Does Linda Richman know this? i think mike myers told her.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 [I secretly envy all of you. I believe each of you wrote the Administrator of the chat board stating, in substance, you are high-profile VIP's who should be exempted from NGC's community guidelines and content-moderation procedures. You want proof? Feel free to tap on my name and take a look at my NGC Chat Board rap sheet replete with warnings ⚠️ and a wrist slap for "inappropriate humor." I have no recollection of what I was alleged to have said, nor to whom. Granted, I am fluent in sarcasm, but inappropriate humor? Get outta town. From now on, like it or not, I am going to make an effort to be worthy of membership. Besides moderating me excessively has cost the company money and extended turn-around times. 🐓 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKurtB Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 I was told at Rosemont that my humor posts are a main subject of water cooler conversation at NGC. Henri Charriere and Mohawk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 @VKurtB... if not for the intermittent on-site reporting, this would have been comparable to Arlington National Cemetery. Considering the scarcity of road stands of the type you had long become accustomed to -- and perhaps took for granted, Rosemont was a shot in the arm for you. 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKurtB Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 (edited) On 9/22/2021 at 5:44 PM, Quintus Arrius said: @VKurtB... if not for the intermittent on-site reporting, this would have been comparable to Arlington National Cemetery. Considering the scarcity of road stands of the type you had long become accustomed to -- and perhaps took for granted, Rosemont was a shot in the arm for you. 🤔 I have now gone longer having open submission forms coursing through the NGC machine continuously than at any time in my history in this field. All 4 of my PCGS crossovers are now back and at identical grades. My 14 Summer FUN submissions are still pending. The holdup is my British Crowns and my “ship together” order with two other forms. Edited September 23, 2021 by VKurtB Henri Charriere 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
