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Official Saint-Gaudens/Gold Coin Price Thread
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GoldFinger1969

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MCMVII Flat Rims @ GC:  Two Flat Rim High Reliefs on sale including a very pricey MS-66+ CAC from the "Half Dome Collection" (whatever that is/was).  Tons of bidding activity there, at $125,000 right now with 21 days left.

https://www.greatcollections.com/Coin/1094005/1907-Saint-Gaudens-Gold-Double-Eagle-MCMVII-High-Relief-Flat-Edge-PCGS-MS-66-CAC-Half-Dome-Collection-Label

Another flat rim is MS-62 CAC @ $11,500 with a few bids only.  2 weeks to go:

https://www.greatcollections.com/Coin/1109090/1907-Saint-Gaudens-Gold-Double-Eagle-MCMVII-High-Relief-Flat-Edge-NGC-MS-62-CAC

And an MS-64 Wire Rim is at $15,500 with a week to go:

https://www.greatcollections.com/Coin/1084035/1907-Saint-Gaudens-Gold-Double-Eagle-MCMVII-High-Relief-Wire-Edge-NGC-MS-64

 

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Battle Of The 67's:  Didn't realize to what extent the population numbers for the 1908 NM have depressed the price of a Superb Gem. 

Without the BPs, a few 1924 MS-67's have recently gone for $12,500.....the 1928 is scarcer and went for about $14,000....but the 1908 No Motto went for under $6,000 !! :o   All graded MS-67.

Even accounting for any differences in grading, that's a big difference considering they are all considered "common" Saints. 

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1908 Wells Fargo No Motto MS-69:  I almost missed that the same exact MS-69 (1 of 10 from the hoard) sold for 2x the price it sold for less than 2 years earlier.  From PCGS:

In another example, Heritage Auctions sold one of only 10 PCGS-graded MS69 No Motto Saint-Gaudens Double Eagles for $96,000 in January 2020. The very same coin hit the market in September at GreatCollections where it brought exactly double the previous price – $192,375, including the buyer’s fee.

 

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On 12/24/2021 at 3:02 PM, CSdot said:

Glad I worked on the "POVERTY SET" when I did. xD

Have you checked out the new PCGS prices? :eek:

$25,000 for a 1920 MS64+ (no CAC) & $12,500 for a 1912 MS64+ (no CAC)

If I wanted to do a poverty set now for the same price [18 out of 24] I'd have to go one full grade lower on the entire set. [MS65 commons & MS64 on almost everything else]

That would be fine except it would take much longer to sort through all the lower graded coins to find a nice one. [we're talking HUGE populations in those grades]

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On 2/12/2022 at 10:44 AM, Cat Bath said:

Have you checked out the new PCGS prices? :eek: $25,000 for a 1920 MS64+ (no CAC) & $12,500 for a 1912 MS64+ (no CAC) 

Have you been tracking the prices on those coins ?  I'd be curious what they went for some time ago...like maybe late-2019/early-2020, pre-Covid ? 

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On 2/12/2022 at 11:26 PM, GoldFinger1969 said:

Have you been tracking the prices on those coins ?  I'd be curious what they went for some time ago...like maybe late-2019/early-2020, pre-Covid ? 

Pre-Covid they were both around 5K for nice ones.

I had three 1920 MS64+CAC coins in my hand and put two back around that time. doh!

Prices today are total insanity & I keep getting knocked down the registry list. I think I was #8 three years ago and now I'm #13

That's great if your a seller but I'd like to buy more coins. O.o

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On 2/13/2022 at 11:36 AM, Cat Bath said:

Pre-Covid they were both around 5K for nice ones.  I had three 1920 MS64+CAC coins in my hand and put two back around that time.  Prices today are total insanity & I keep getting knocked down the registry list. I think I was #8 three years ago and now I'm #13 That's great if your a seller but I'd like to buy more coins. 

We're talking Saints, right ?  Just want to make sure we're on the same page. :)

So...you are saying that there's been a doubling -- or more -- for some super-rare Saints in the last 18-24 months ?  That's interesting because it definitely has NOT filtered down to semi-rare/scarce or more common or generic Saint years and mintmarks.  Usually, a rising tide lifts all boats.

OTOH, I guess that the plentiful supply in the lower grades or plentiful years/mintmarks makes lifting those prices more dependent on the price of gold which has been flat-to-down.

Good luck with your registry build, CB. (thumbsu

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On 2/13/2022 at 12:19 PM, GoldFinger1969 said:

...the population DRAMATICALLY plunges if you go up 1 grade.

Yep...So called "jump coins"

The only difference is that they are both part of the poverty set and MS64+ as opposed to MS65 or MS66.

Some saints must be had by both poverty set collectors & full set collectors. I think when that's the case you can expect values to rise. That was my prediction and it is starting to happen. My guess is the 1909-S & 1913-D still have some room to run.

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$166,202 (ex-bp) for that beautiful MCMVII High Relief MS-66+ from the "Half Dome Collection" (anybody ever hear of it ?) over at GC this past Sunday.   23 total bidders including about 10 who were still there onc it crossed 6-figures.

Surprised a 1928 MS-66+ only went for $4,368/$4,914 and a 1924 MS-66+ went for $3,701/$4,164.  Thought both might be higher since MS-67's for each go closer to $12-$14K.  Another 1924 MS-66+ went for $4,100/$4,613.

A 1914 PF-55 went for $17,944/$20,187 with plenty of bidders for these rare proofs.

Definitely seeing HIGHER but no-where near BUBBLE pricing for Saints, even when higher prices should be dragging up the rear.  They're higher...but not absurdly so.

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Saint-Gaudens Auctions: Wow, lots of useful datapoints tonight from a busy Sunday night @ GC. 

Winning bids without/with bp. below:

A 1908 NM MS-66+CAC went for $5,100/$5,738. Low bidding activity, though.

A 1927 MS-67 went for $16,643/$18,723. Very active bidding.

A 1928 MS-66+CAC went for $7,500/$8,438. Only 1 bidder.

A 1928 MS-67 went for $15,005/$16,881. Very active bidding.

A 1928 MS-66 went for $4,225/$4,753. Active bidding.

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Links To The Saints Mentioned Above: For those who want to know what the coins referenced above look like, here they are....:D

1928 Saint-Gaudens Gold Double Eagle PCGS MS-67

1928 Saint-Gaudens Gold Double Eagle PCGS MS-66

1928 Saint-Gaudens Gold Double Eagle PCGS MS-66+ CAC

1927 Saint-Gaudens Gold Double Eagle PCGS MS-67

1908 Saint-Gaudens Gold Double Eagle No Motto PCGS MS-66+ CAC

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An MS-66+CAC 1924 went for $7,312 (with bp)....an MS-67 NGC 1924 went for $11,032 last night.

Prices moved up but I didn't see any bubble in 65+ coins or 65 CACs.  Buyers remain disciplined and sellers aren't asking for the Moon.

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Sunday Night GC Auctions:  

  • A 1908 NM MS66+ went for $3,825 (w/bp).
  • A 1908 NM MS64 went for $2,280.
  • A 1907 MCMVII High Relief Flat Edge MS-63 went for $25,694.
  • A 1907 MCMVII High Relief Wire Edge MS-64 went for $36,844.

Still can't believe you can get a Super Gem MS67 1908 NM for under $6,000. :o

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On 3/28/2022 at 12:22 AM, GoldFinger1969 said:

Still can't believe you can get a Super Gem MS67 1908 NM for under $6,000.

Common date and condition. Market saturation.

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On 3/28/2022 at 1:19 PM, RWB said:

Common date and condition. Market saturation.

I know....it's just strange to see it basically 1/2 off or more from the other "common" dates which just aren't as common in that grade. 

Basically, 1908 NM's trade 1 grade higher for the same $$$.  You get your money's worth for sure. (thumbsu

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On 3/28/2022 at 1:19 PM, RWB said:

Common date and condition. Market saturation.

It's tough to model a supply and demand curve.  But we know that the supply of MS-66's and MS-67's went up over 30-fold after the Wells Fargo Hoard.

If we go by Winter's Guestimate of Saint buyers -- 500 Registry Players, 25,000 Type Players, the rest retail investors -- then the Registry guys suddenly had MS68's (and 69's) take up 25% of their demand which was previously limited to MS-67's (there were no MS-68's I believe before the WF Hoard).  The rest were the cream of the MS-67's.  But the Type Players who previously had to settle for MS-64's, 65's, and 66's suddenly had MS-67's (about 1,500 - 2,000, ex-double counts).

So before Wells Fargo, 1908 NM's were like the other commons more-or-less in the MS-66 to 68 grades.  The influx in the higher grades for those who wanted them -- others still wanted a slightly-cheaper MS-64 or 65 rather than a much-cheaper MS-66 or 67 -- made them much more affordable.

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Sunday Night GC Auctions:  

  • A 1928 Saint-Gaudens Gold Double Eagle PCGS MS-66+ went for $5,232 (w/bp).
  • A 1927 MS-62 NGC and a 1925 MS-62 NGC each went for about $2,155 (good proxies for bullion Saint pricing).
  • A 1914 MS-63 went for $4,840.
  • A 1913-S MS-63 CAC went for $7,425.
  • A 1911-D/D Saint-Gaudens Gold Double Eagle Repunched Mintmark FS-501 PCGS MS-66+ CAC went for $20,251 (this is a very unique label with the "FS-501" designation which I'll have to check in RWB's book what it means).
  • A 1909/8 Saint-Gaudens Gold Double Eagle PCGS MS-65+ went for $48,375.
  • A 1908 Saint-Gaudens Gold Double Eagle No Motto PCGS MS-63 OGH went for $2,250. 
  • A 1907 Saint-Gaudens Gold Double Eagle MCMVII. High Relief, Wire Edge PCGS MS-62 CAC OGH went for $24,812.
  • A 1907 MCMVII High Relief Details did NOT get any bids at the minimum of $7,500.

 

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Pricing Anomalies ?:  A 1924 MS-65+ CAC is asking (no bids) a minimum of $3,780 (w/o bp) while a 1924 MS-66 is only bidding $2,150.  I believe other 1924's in the MS-66 range were recently sold for the mid-$3's.

That gap should narrow but I'm not sure the CAC coin gets a bid.

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On 4/21/2022 at 9:14 PM, Cat Bath said:

Have people lost the ability to grade for themselves?

Yes, I thought that was obvious. In fairness, grading gold is even more an “art” than grading silver and Cu/Ni. 

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On 4/21/2022 at 10:14 PM, Cat Bath said:

I'm just shaking my head at the CAC insanity. Have people lost the ability to grade for themselves?

I think, suspect, that there is a whole new generation of collectors who have more money than brains and reply on the TPGs and Sticker Makers to guide them.  CAC, BW, etc., like + and *, are created by dealers to enrich dealers.  

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On 4/21/2022 at 10:14 PM, Cat Bath said:

I'm just shaking my head at the CAC insanity. Have people lost the ability to grade for themselves?The number of Kool-aid drinkers is astounding. I'd be a buyer for non-CAC if I didn't suspect a bubble.Oh-well...I have plenty of popcorn.

Remember, the CAC 1924 MS-65+ is just an asking price.  I don't think anybody on GC is going to bite.  

An MS-65 sells for maybe $2,300 or so.....MS-65+ maybe $2,800......and 66's go for low-$3's so even if you think the "+" and the CAC indicate this is really a 66 I don't know how you pay that price above plus the buyer's premium bring it over $4,000.

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On 4/22/2022 at 4:57 PM, Alex in PA. said:

I think, suspect, that there is a whole new generation of collectors who have more money than brains and reply on the TPGs and Sticker Makers to guide them.  CAC, BW, etc., like + and *, are created by dealers to enrich dealers.  

They've been around for a while.  The real "bubble," if anything, is in lower-priced "substitutes" that folks buy because the more expensive stuff is out of their reach.

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Major Saints Collection Auction @ HA:  I see that while I was out of commission there was a pretty prestigious Saint-Gaudens DE collection auctioned off a week ago (The Warren Collection).  Mostly very high-end.  I'm not as familiar with the pricing for alot of these super-expensive coins so I might have to research if they moved up in price alot.  Certainly, these coins would NOT be impacted by the Covid-19 newcomer bidding, they're not chasing 5-figure and 6-figure gold coins.

If you are familiar with these coins or bid, let us know what you think about the final prices. (thumbsu

Select coins, after the first 10 or so chronologically, I skipped around to just focus on the 6-figure or pricey ones:

  • A 1907 MS67 PCGS......$276,000 (incl. BP).
  • 1908 NM WF MS68.......$20,400
  • 1908-D MS66.................$28,800
  • 1908 Motto MS66...........$50,400
  • 1908-D Motto MS66.......$21,000
  • 1908-S MS66 CAC ......$156,000
  • 1909/08 MS66 CAC......$336,000 (FS-301 on label, anybody know what that means ?  Probably in RWB's book).
  • 1909 MS66 CAC...........$312,000
  • 1909-D MS66+..............$264,000
  • 1909-S MS66.................$26,400
  • 1911-D MS67.................$54,000
  • 1913 MS65 CAC............$102,000
  • 1920 MS65.....................$180,000
  • 1920-S MS65.................$600,000
  • 1921 MS63.....................$312,000
  • 1924-D MS65.................$144,000
  • 1925 MS67 CAC............$132,000
  • 1925-D MS66.................$336,000
  • 1927-S MS64..................$114,000
  • 1929 MS65.......................$90,000
  • 1930-S MS65 CAC.........$288,000
  • 1931 MS65 CAC.............$312,000
  • 1931-D MS65..................$228,000
  • 1932 MS66......................$288,000
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