DudeW Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 (edited) Edited March 26, 2021 by DudeW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DudeW Posted March 26, 2021 Author Share Posted March 26, 2021 (edited) Hello there coin World. I have a few questions about a magnetic 1944 Nickel. It has a low Density of 8.54 compared to the normal 9.25 of the Wartime Nickels, it is also magnetic. Edited March 26, 2021 by DudeW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DudeW Posted March 26, 2021 Author Share Posted March 26, 2021 Is it a coin I should pay to have graded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DudeW Posted March 26, 2021 Author Share Posted March 26, 2021 Here is a chart showing the War Nickel Density. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moxie15 Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 where is the mint mark located? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bsshog40 Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 The coin looks plated to me. JT2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DudeW Posted March 26, 2021 Author Share Posted March 26, 2021 (edited) Would an electroplating make the silver nickels magnetic ? Here is a nice article about a zinc plated steel 1944 P that was found. The 2 Franc planchets where used in Philadelphia during 1944. https://www.coinworld.com/news/precious-metals/1944-p-5-coin-struck-on-zinc-coated-steel-pla.html Edited March 27, 2021 by DudeW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RWB Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, DudeW said: Here is a chart showing the War Nickel Density. Don't know where you got the table but it's wrong. War 5-cent 8.662 Clad 8.945 Lg copper cents 8.96 (usually lower due to impurities) FE cents 8.953 4.87 g/cu3 mm is impossible for any magnetic metal. That's only a little above Titanium at about 4.51. Edited March 27, 2021 by RWB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsshog40 Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 13 hours ago, DudeW said: Would an electroplating make the silver nickels magnetic ? Here is a nice article about a zinc plated steel 1944 P that was found. The 2 Franc planchets where used in Philadelphia during 1944. https://www.coinworld.com/news/precious-metals/1944-p-5-coin-struck-on-zinc-coated-steel-pla.html Depends on what it's plated with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWB Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 (edited) 14 hours ago, DudeW said: The 2 Franc planchets where used in Philadelphia during 1944 These Belgian coins were actually struck on leftover US 1943 cent planchets in 1944. PS: The nickel looks circulated and then plated. The kind of "oily" appearance is common for pure nickel plating....but it's certainly not an original US mint-issued product. Edited March 27, 2021 by RWB RonnieR131 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conder101 Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 On 3/26/2021 at 7:55 PM, DudeW said: Would an electroplating make the silver nickels magnetic ? It would if they plated it with nickel. On 3/26/2021 at 9:03 PM, RWB said: Don't know where you got the table but it's wrong. War 5-cent 8.662 No the silver war nickels are in the 9.25 to 9.32 range. 9.662 would make them less than the regular CuNi alloy. You don't swap out lower density copper and nickel for higher density silver and have the SG go down. Yes the manganese will off set it a little but not that much. And the 4.87 was the weight of the nickel not the density. His measured density was 8.54 g/cm^3 which is still too low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modwriter Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 Im wondering if this nickel would be body bagged by a TPG. The reverse pic is cropped above the steps but what I can see is that it is in poor condtion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DudeW Posted March 30, 2021 Author Share Posted March 30, 2021 47 minutes ago, Conder101 said: It would if they plated it with nickel. No the silver war nickels are in the 9.25 to 9.32 range. 9.662 would make them less than the regular CuNi alloy. You don't swap out lower density copper and nickel for higher density silver and have the SG go down. Yes the manganese will off set it a little but not that much. And the 4.87 was the weight of the nickel not the density. His measured density was 8.54 g/cm^3 which is still too low. Hello there. If it was electroplated with nickel, would the overall Density be lower ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DudeW Posted March 30, 2021 Author Share Posted March 30, 2021 Thank you all for all the comments, they help. Would it be worth putting the funds towards getting this coin graded ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Bob Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 They won't grade a plated coin. Modwriter and bsshog40 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWB Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Conder101 said: No the silver war nickels are in the 9.25 to 9.32 range. 9.662 would make them less than the regular CuNi alloy. You don't swap out lower density copper and nickel for higher density silver and have the SG go down. Yes the manganese will off set it a little but not that much. You're right. I didn't show my work and made a mistake in counting toes. War nickel alloy at top, standard CuNi alloy below. War nickel density will nearly always be lower due to defects in manufacturing and rolling the alloy and the source of Mn. (Electrolytic was best but not always available.) % Σ Cu 8.96 56 5.02 Ag 10.49 35 3.67 Mn 7.43 9 0.67 D= <9.36 % Σ Cu 8.96 75 6.72 Ni 8.90 25 2.23 D= <8.95 Edited March 31, 2021 by RWB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conder101 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 1 hour ago, DudeW said: Hello there. If it was electroplated with nickel, would the overall Density be lower ? Yes but not enough to account for the results you got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisa8675309 Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 I just went through nickels have a 1944 P and its full off errors looks like the same. Any one know value and such? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisa8675309 Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 I just went through nickels have a 1944 P and its full off errors looks like the same. Any one know value and such? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Bob Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 On 5/26/2022 at 7:55 AM, Lisa8675309 said: I just went through nickels have a 1944 P and its full off errors looks like the same. Any one know value and such? What errors do you see? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenstang Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 Damage is not an error. What you have is a damaged coin. In the future, please start your own thread when posting. More than 1 coin at a time just causes confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisa8675309 Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 On 5/26/2022 at 7:30 AM, Greenstang said: Damage is not an error. What you have is a damaged coin. In the future, please start your own thread when posting. More than 1 coin at a time just causes confusion. Thanks! Sorry new to forum appreciate feedback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWB Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 The value is it's silver content....about 98-cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
