Could this be a new discovery of a Roosevelt dime with a special matte finish ?!?!?! 1 1

[Insider]

On 7/27/2020 at 6:12 AM, RichieRich2020 said:

I can absolutely agree with you on one obvious point you made where you state " I suspect it may have been sand / other material blasted ." Because you see , you can actually GOOGLE how matte finish coins are created and surprisingly it actually states that MATTE FINISH COINS are SANDBLASTED which is probably why you were able to point that out on my coin ... Google is excellent educational resource ...

 I just started reading this thread.  IMO, you have an altered coin.  The key is this:

When the mint sandblasts a coin to make a special finish the chance that the coin will have any contact marks is very slim to none.  With altered surface coin, you will usually find contact marks with exactly the same surface as the rest of the coin.  When a genuine matte coin has a contact mark, it is different from the untouched surface.  

[RichieRich2020]

18 hours ago, Quintus Arrius said:

Dang!  I started to tap out a response but the censors overruled me. Briefly, you face a Hobson's choice: echoing some of the heavyweights among us, the coin must be validated, i.e., submitted for authentication and certification, BUT (big but) to do so would make no economic sense.  Suppose you were to roll the dice with a hefty wager and come up snake eyes?  Are you better off buying a slew of scratch offs or lottery tickets with mega long shot odds? There was a gentleman who kindly suggested you shelve your dream, for now. I am inclined to agree. It's a no-win situation.

That could be very much so ... Just as much as it could also be that it is actually a ONE OF A KIND SPECIAL FINISH DIME which probably explains why absolutely no one and I mean NO ONE were ever able to offer anything more then expert guessing and theories ... And let's us not forget the reality of the article I shared previously were the person was REPEATEDLY told by EXPERTS WHAT THEY HAD WAS A FAKE as i was REPEATEDLY TOLD HERE and it ended up being worth millions ...   

Edited August 8, 2020 by RichieRich2020

[JKK]

1 minute ago, RichieRich2020 said:

That could be very much so ... Just as much as it could also be that it is actually a ONE OF A KIND SPECIAL FINISH DIME which probably explains why absolutely no one and I mean no were ever able to offer anything more then expert guessing and theories ... And let's us not forget the reality of the article I shared previously were the person was REPEATEDLY told by EXPERTS WHAT THEY HAD WAS A FAKE as i was REPEATEDLY TOLD HERE and it ended up being worth millions ...   

If you truly believed it was something special, you'd already have sent it in and not cared what anyone here thought. Ergo, you do not. And that's okay, because you are correct. It's a damaged coin. Until you send it in and prove otherwise, it's all just hot air.

[Big Nub numismatics]

I like how we've all tried to stay away but this thread is all too much fun!

[kbbpll]

Another sandblasting technique. The panel in the upper right is believed to be about 11,000 years old. I was there this morning, after I spent my special matte finish dime on a smoothie.

[RichieRich2020]

1 hour ago, kbbpll said:

Another sandblasting technique. The panel in the upper right is believed to be about 11,000 years old. I was there this morning, after I spent my special matte finish dime on a smoothie.

Can someone please tell me where exactly do I need to look in order to find a just little humor in this .... 

On second thoughtv... Whatever it is you do for a living . Please don't quit your day job because telling jokes certainly ain't it .... 

[Zebo]

It's worth nothing unless authenticated or someone pays you something for it. As W.C. Fields said there's a sucker born every minute.

 

Edited August 8, 2020 by Zebo

[Henri Charriere]

7 hours ago, Big Nub numismatics said:

I like how we've all tried to stay away but this thread is all too much fun!

I AM ASHAMED TO SAY, I AGREE. LOL!

 

7 hours ago, Big Nub numismatics said:

 

 

Edited August 8, 2020 by Quintus Arrius
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[Henri Charriere]

5 hours ago, kbbpll said:

Another sandblasting technique. The panel in the upper right is believed to be about 11,000 years old. I was there this morning, after I spent my special matte finish dime on a smoothie.

The epitome of cruelty but you've got me laughing so hard I can no longer see! (Would you hand me a Kleenex, dear.... what are you laughing about?... it's a long story, eight pages, 200 some-odd posts.  Ha! Ha! Ha!)

[Alex in PA.]

8 hours ago, Big Nub numismatics said:

I like how we've all tried to stay away but this thread is all too much fun!

Big Nub:  You've hit the proverbial nail on the head.

[World Colonial]

10 hours ago, JKK said:

If you truly believed it was something special, you'd already have sent it in and not cared what anyone here thought. Ergo, you do not. And that's okay, because you are correct. It's a damaged coin. Until you send it in and prove otherwise, it's all just hot air.

There is no US modern (subjectively post 1964) even close to being worth millions.  The idea that this coin potentially is even if as claimed makes no sense.  Even if it was as claimed (which it isn't), It's as "significant" as an error or die variety.  Plenty of rare or unique in both overwhelmingly worth nominal amounts if any premium at all because no one cares.

Here is my suggestion.  He can contact Wondercoin who posts on the PCGS forum and get his opinion.  He's one of the few who actually has customers for this coin, if it was what the OP claimed.  He recently sold one of the two known 1975 "No S" dimes for $516,000.

[Henri Charriere]

(A rather encouraging development if I may say so myself.  Thank you, World Colonial, for trying to help a fellow collector in distress!)

[MarkFeld]

41 minutes ago, World Colonial said:

There is no US modern (subjectively post 1964) even close to being worth millions.  The idea that this coin potentially is even if as claimed makes no sense.  Even if it was as claimed (which it isn't), It's as "significant" as an error or die variety.  Plenty of rare or unique in both overwhelmingly worth nominal amounts if any premium at all because no one cares.

Here is my suggestion.  He can contact Wondercoin who posts on the PCGS forum and get his opinion.  He's one of the few who actually has customers for this coin, if it was what the OP claimed.  He recently sold one of the two known 1975 "No S" dimes for $516,000.

While obviously well intended, your suggestion gives credence to a coin that is undeserving and would subject Wondercoin to an immense waste of time.

[Henri Charriere]

45 minutes ago, MarkFeld said:

While obviously well intended, your suggestion gives credence to a coin that is undeserving and would subject Wondercoin to an immense waste of time.

Immense waste of time?  How so?  How much time would Wondercoin need to make an assessment? How much time did onlookers on this site need to render their condemnations?  I say the OP ought to follow through on this suggestion, let the chips fall where they may, and put an end to this vulgar sideshow.

 

[MarkFeld]

5 minutes ago, Quintus Arrius said:

Immense waste of time?  How so?  How much time would Wondercoin need to make an assessment? How much time did onlookers on this site need to render their condemnations?  I say the OP ought to follow through on this suggestion, let the chips fall where they may, and put an end to this vulgar sideshow.

 

Making the assessment wouldn’t take much time at all. But others, who are well qualified, have already done that. And it’s the postmortem that can be time consuming.

However, I will point him to this thread and see if he wishes to comment.

[Coinbuf]

8 minutes ago, Quintus Arrius said:

Immense waste of time?  How so?  How much time would Wondercoin need to make an assessment? How much time did onlookers on this site need to render their condemnations?  I say the OP ought to follow through on this suggestion, let the chips fall where they may, and put an end to this vulgar sideshow.

 

What makes you think the op would value another "expert" opinion over his own?

[Henri Charriere]

1 minute ago, MarkFeld said:

Making the assessment wouldn’t take much time at all. But others, who are well qualified, have already done that. And it’s the postmortem that can be time consuming.

However, I will point him to this thread and see if he wishes to comment.

Fair enough. (Just about everyone else has been viewing this thread. Why deprive him of the pleasure.) 

[Henri Charriere]

1 minute ago, Coinbuf said:

What makes you think the op would value another "expert" opinion over his own?

(Shush!  Don't you want this travesty to end?)

[Coinbuf]

1 minute ago, Quintus Arrius said:

(Shush!  Don't you want this travesty to end?)

Many days ago, but that will never happen as the op lives in fantasy land.

[World Colonial]

3 hours ago, MarkFeld said:

While obviously well intended, your suggestion gives credence to a coin that is undeserving and would subject Wondercoin to an immense waste of time.

True, I don't believe this coin is what the OP poster claims.  This entire thread is a waste of time since nothing anyone writes here is going to change this person's mind.

I also don't believe Wondercoin would want to look at it for all the reasons given here.  The inference I was trying to make is that even if this specialist dealer told him it isn't what he claims, he still wouldn't believe it.  Everyone else is wrong except for him.

[Henri Charriere]

There is something, I don't know what it is, that is so unsatisfying about advancing a perfectly legitimate suggestion which would resolve this affair firmly and with finality, and then withdrawing it for no other reason than because of one's belief Wonderland would not want to look at it, irrespective of the reasons cited.  What are we all afraid of?  If I appeal a matter all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court, the VERY WORST that can happen is receiving a "cert. denied" ruling, i.e., "we decline to review the matter set before us."

This Wonderland was the most promising lead yet. To extinguish it before it has had a chance to be test-driven is really very sad.  What is everyone afraid of? Don't leave us all dangling. Kindly reconsider and follow thru. And again, let the chips fall where they may.

Edited August 8, 2020 by Quintus Arrius
Re-wording.

[MarkFeld]

18 minutes ago, Quintus Arrius said:

There is something, I don't know what it is, that is so unsatisfying about advancing a perfectly legitimate suggestion which would resolve this affair firmly and with finality, and then withdrawing it for no other reason than because of one's belief Wonderland would not want to look at it, irrespective of the reasons cited.  What are we all afraid of?  If I appeal a matter all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court, the VERY WORST that can happen is receiving a "cert. denied" ruling, i.e., "we decline to review the matter set before us."

This Wonderland was the most promising lead yet. To extinguish it before it has had a chance to be test-driven is really very sad.  What is everyone afraid of? Don't leave us all dangling. Kindly reconsider and follow thru. And again, let the chips fall where they may.

I hope you weren’t being serious. Nothing would would resolve this firmly and with finality for a certain person, unless it supported his dream.

[gmarguli]

Am I the only one wondering if the two trolls in this thread are the same person? 

[Coinbuf]

48 minutes ago, gmarguli said:

Am I the only one wondering if the two trolls in this thread are the same person? 

No, while I don't think so it did cross my mind.

Edited August 8, 2020 by Coinbuf

[Henri Charriere]

Gentlemen! Gentlemen!  Somewhere between Attack Speed and Ramming Speed, with the hortator steadily beating his drum, Coinbuf uttered the "No" heard 'round the world.  I was warned that if I lose Coinbuf, I'd lose the ship.  Accordingly, I hereby tender my resignation as referee of this match and, having served with distinction, abandon this thread forthwith.  I wish my successor luck in resolving this matter amicably.

Sincerely, the Troll

[MarkFeld]

I made “Wondercoin” aware of this thread and I have copied his comments below. He is an extremely active and knowledgeable dealer, particularly in the area of moderns.

“Hi Mark.  Thank you for bringing to my attention this interesting modern coin thread.  First and foremost, it is wonderful to see the passion of the OP, “RichieRich2020”.  Whether he ultimately turns out to be “right” or “wrong”, it is still great to see all that passion for his dime.  And, second, it is equally wonderful to see all the experts and fellow collectors contributing their expertise to the OP.  This is what makes this hobby great and the NGC and PCGS message boards such an invaluable component to the coin collecting experience.

There are so many ultra-talented numismatists contributing to this thread (yourself included Mark) including Fred.  As we all know, Fred is one of the foremost authorities on United States errors, varieties and the coin striking processes at the Mint.

I see that Fred has determined the subject coin to be a regular business strike example and that after the dime was in circulation it somehow developed the “matte” surface appearance that the OP sees.  I believe Fred probably put the word “matte” in quotes  so as to not confuse what he was suggesting with someone thinking Fred determined the coin had, indeed, a different US Mint striking process applied to it when struck.  But, any confusion on that interpretation can easily be verified in a short follow up letter from Fred.

My strong expertise is in the valuation of United States modern coins (1932-date).  I recently testified on behalf of the United States Department of Justice in a federal case as a Court approved expert on modern coin valuation.  My extensive valuation report and live Court testimony led to a very decisive victory for the DOJ.  Obviously, before I would complete my evaluation of the fair market value of this dime, I would need to “pin down” what exactly we had here.  Fred’s analysis of the dime would be very important to my valuation analysis as would other opinions I would use to formulate my valuation opinion.

I see a diagnostic marker on the reverse of the coin left of the upper torch area directly below the flame.  I am wondering if this marker might be useful in finding another matching dime (with a similar marker) to perhaps help in concluding the origin of the subject dime?  Does anyone have any thoughts on that?

In conclusion, of course if I was the owner of this dime, I would not be satisfied to hear my dime was worth just ten cents.  I would want to devote much more time and energy to figure out exactly what happened with this coin either before or after the striking process.  I might be curious to see if I could find a matching dime of this date with the diagnostic marker(s) I discussed.  I would also be very thankful to be getting all this free support and assistance from so many talented numismatists on this message board.

Best of luck to the OP!”

 

[Henri Charriere]

17 hours ago, MarkFeld said:

I hope you weren’t being serious. Nothing would would resolve this firmly and with finality for a certain person, unless it supported his dream.

[Posted from cyberspace] My heartfelt thanks for re-considering!  Added bonus: it turns out what many viewers, including myself, dismissed out-of-hand to be residual droppings of malignant tertian malaria, the estivo-autumnal variety, due to plasmodium falciparum, was actually a "diagnostic marker"!!! Who'd've thunk? Wondercoin is wonderful! A breath of fresh air! Thanks again, MarkFelt, for indulging the wishes of the underdogs among us.

[VKurtB]

Underdogs are underdogs for a reason. In numismatics, their knowledge is “under” that of their peers, and, well, they’re dogs. Rooting for the underdog is hoping that the undeserving win.

Edited August 10, 2020 by VKurtB

[Insider]

On ‎8‎/‎8‎/‎2020 at 3:41 AM, RichieRich2020 said:

Can someone please tell me where exactly do I need to look in order to find a just little humor in this .... 

On second thoughtv... Whatever it is you do for a living . Please don't quit your day job because telling jokes certainly ain't it .... 

My final post in this thread as it is no longer funny.  If you cannot see what's on the rock faces...that explains why you cannot see what's on the surface of your dime.

I'll post this again to make sure you DO SEE THIS:   "With altered surface coins, you will usually find contact marks with exactly the same surface as the rest of the coin."   Your dime has these because it has an altered surface.       Goodbye.

Edited August 10, 2020 by Insider

[Henri Charriere]

47 minutes ago, VKurtB said:

Underdogs are underdogs for a reason. In numismatics, their knowledge is “under” that of their peers, and, well, they’re dogs. Rooting for the underdog is hoping that the undeserving win.

I bask in the undeserving love and respect you shower me with VKurtB.

I guess there is a part of me that just wants to see the average Joe get a fair shake.

I have no enemies. I don't crave a following. You won't find me on social media.

As I have stated on a

56 minutes ago, VKurtB said:

 

prior occasion, I may not agree with everything everyone says, but I am constrained to defend, with my life, if necessary, everybody's right to express an opinion.

That, of course, includes you for whom I have a begrudging respect for as the very first person to try to cut me down to size on this Forum. On balance, Coinbuf's, simple "No," was far more devastating. I was forced to give up my job refereeing the RichieRich2020 super heavyweight world championship, from which there is no coming back.😉