Could this be a new discovery of a Roosevelt dime with a special matte finish ?!?!?! 1 1

[bsshog40]

9 hours ago, RichieRich2020 said:

And I suppose that is not who you are and exactly what you do ... Especially since you clearly seem to love visiting other sites hoping to create havoc in this post

This is where you have no clue  who you are talking to or about. You are nothing but a little newbie TROLL that came on this forum to convince somebody that your damaged dime was worth something other than 10c. Everyone that you have tried to influence with your arrogance, has told you it's worth a dime. You have been given opinions from  some of the most respected people in the industry and yet you cry and stomp your little feet because it's not what you want to hear. You give excuses for not wanting to send it to any of the top TPG's because I think we all know why, you know it's junk and, like a troll, just can't give up irritating people. You created more havoc in  this one thread on this forum than I have seen in quite some time. I'm really surprised that NGC has let this worthless thread run sooo long. I will be blocking you after this post. You are nothing but an immature, supposed 40 yr old man??? LOL You act just like the adult children  of today. Someone who lives in their mommy's house, no job, playing video games and visiting internet forums and pretending to be someone that you are not. In my opinion, you are nothing but a POS and I'm done entertaining you. If NGC doesn't start removing trolls like yourself sooner, this forum will go even further downhill!!!! YOU NEED HELP!!!

[Henri Charriere]

1 hour ago, bsshog40 said:

This is where you have no clue  who you are talking to or about. You are nothing but a little newbie TROLL that came on this forum to convince somebody that your damaged dime was worth something other than 10c. Everyone that you have tried to influence with your arrogance, has told you it's worth a dime. You have been given opinions from  some of the most respected people in the industry and yet you cry and stomp your little feet because it's not what you want to hear. You give excuses for not wanting to send it to any of the top TPG's because I think we all know why, you know it's junk and, like a troll, just can't give up irritating people. You created more havoc in  this one thread on this forum than I have seen in quite some time. I'm really surprised that NGC has let this worthless thread run sooo long. I will be blocking you after this post. You are nothing but an immature, supposed 40 yr old man??? LOL You act just like the adult children  of today. Someone who lives in their mommy's house, no job, playing video games and visiting internet forums and pretending to be someone that you are not. In my opinion, you are nothing but a POS and I'm done entertaining you. If NGC doesn't start removing trolls like yourself sooner, this forum will go even further downhill!!!! YOU NEED HELP!!!

I respectfully disagree. It doesn't take much to engage an OP on his own terms.  Besides, this thread, remarkable for both its length and the extended discussions it has evoked from every quarter of the Forum, is worth its weight in gold on entertainment value alone. Some people, I guess, just take things too seriously. I am with you on this one, RichieRich2020!

[Insider]

15 hours ago, RichieRich2020 said:

Well due to some little money restraints that im currently experiencing in real life as a result of a bad motorcycle accident that left me with 5 broken ribs , a broken scapula and a torn shoulder ... It caused me to drain all my savings while I took time letting my bones heal up and so unfortunately ive been unable to send it in as of yet ... And hopefully this will help these little ones who keep attempting to imply that I'm being reluctance to send it in since they clearly dont understand rather then just trying to CREATE a reason of their own ... Now I still have to stand very firm and STRONGLY disagree with your theory that there is probably not a market for such ONE OF KIND COINS like the highly sought after NO S variety you compared it to ... because In my personal opinion a coin SIMPLY MISSING a S when compared to a business strike coin having a SPECIAL FINISH that it is not supposed to have unlike any other coin in the world would be an even greater discovery to me seeing as though THERE IS SIMPLY NO OTHER COIN LIKE IT KNOWN TO EXSIST . And you see I think that THAT FACT ALONE for any serious collectors would hold VERY SIGNIFICANT VALUE by itself .  And not to forget the demand for NEW DISCOVERY PIECES have to FIRST be created through articles , marketing and other factors none of which have yet happened in order to see what other collectors will really think about it as well . And so in otherwords for ANYONE to try and assume that other collectors wouldn't care or see the coin as being valuable if no more valuable as the NO S variety would simply be like trying to put the carriage before the horse in this situation ....  And again that is just my personal opinion and I'm going to stand firm on it until I can have it authenticated and appraised by several different grading companies and collectors despite how much anyone in thread would like me to simply just accept their opinion and agree with THEIR WAY OF THINKING because they strongly believe They have all the answers ...

And oh yea  one last important thing.... If it did somehow come back as authentic with a low ball valuation when it is a ONE OF A KIND COIN . Then chances are I would more then likely be HAPPILY BURIED WITH IT or just pass it along down in the family since it would clearly be part of History with regards to me finding the only SPECIAL OR EXPERIMENTAL FINISH DIME IN THE WORLD . Because believe it or not It's not always about the money for some people ....

 

Sorry to hear you hit your head and broke some bones in the accident.  There are several places where you can send you coin for a free exam.  All it takes is a phone call or letter + return postage.  Collector's Clearinghouse did this at one time and I know there is at least one TPGS that would look at it for free because if it is unaltered it would be front page news for the TPGS that authenticated it. 

BTW, I'm dealing at the moment with a man who has a unique coin that he has been trying to get certified for years.  No one will call it bad yet no one will authenticate it either.  Guess I'm his last shot.  The reason I'm mentioning this fact is like you, he plans to take it to his grave if it is not authenticated.  His plan is safe with me but he better not mention this to any one else because grave robbers may want his unique million dollar coin.

[Henri Charriere]

56 minutes ago, Insider said:

 

Sorry to hear you hit your head and broke some bones in the accident.  There are several places where you can send you coin for a free exam.  All it takes is a phone call or letter + return postage.  Collector's Clearinghouse did this at one time and I know there is at least one TPGS that would look at it for free because if it is unaltered it would be front page news for the TPGS that authenticated it. 

BTW, I'm dealing at the moment with a man who has a unique coin that he has been trying to get certified for years.  No one will call it bad yet no one will authenticate it either.  Guess I'm his last shot.  The reason I'm mentioning this fact is like you, he plans to take it to his grave if it is not authenticated.  His plan is safe with me but he better not mention this to any one else because grave robbers may want his unique million dollar coin.

One more reason why I love this thread.  You never know who is going to show up or when. Thank you, Insider, for always trying to be helpful. And to think there are those who wanted to pull the plug on all this!

[World Colonial]

1 hour ago, Insider said:

BTW, I'm dealing at the moment with a man who has a unique coin that he has been trying to get certified for years.  No one will call it bad yet no one will authenticate it either.  Guess I'm his last shot.  The reason I'm mentioning this fact is like you, he plans to take it to his grave if it is not authenticated.  His plan is safe with me but he better not mention this to any one else because grave robbers may want his unique million dollar coin.

Especially under US criteria, there are plenty of "rare" coins:  errors, obscure die varieties, the TPG grade.  Approximately 99% aren't, won't and shouldn't be worth any meaningful value because what makes it "rare" or even unique isn't interesting to hardly anyone, predominantly if not exclusively only to those who claim it because they want to make a windfall.  99% of those who own these coins wouldn't pay any meaningful price for it either.  They just think someone else should with theirs. 

That's the reality with this coin, even if it is what the OP claims.  Why would anyone want it at any meaningful price, other than because the OP prefers it?

On one occasion, I bought a (purported) three coin silvered bronze set from Cayon.  It was a 1952 South African farthing, half penny and penny.  I paid about $1600 for it.  The listing claimed evidence to support the auction description but didn't provide it.  NGC returned it as "artificially colored".

When I spoke to someone, they told me they wouldn't agree with Cayon without evidence to prove that it actually came this way from the SA Mint.  I didn't blame them or whine about the result.  Cayon refunded my money but it was my fault for not knowing this in advance.  In retrospect, there is no reason to believe South Africa would have struck KGVI patterns the last year of the series.  It doesn't make any sense. 

It's "possible" the US Mint could have struck a previously unknown or unrecorded "matte" or "SP" (clad) FDR dime but what reason is there to believe it?  For what purpose?  What we do know is that in over 700,000 combined grading events by both NGC and PCGS, there isn't a single one recorded for any FDR dime date, except 1964-1966 SMS.

[Insider]

4 hours ago, Quintus Arrius said:

One more reason why I love this thread.  You never know who is going to show up or when. Thank you, Insider, for always trying to be helpful. And to think there are those who wanted to pull the plug on all this!

The NGC Forum needs some action.  This entertaining thread provides it.  On another Forum the members have a thread: "This forum needs some humor."  They post some great jokes.  It is much better than this but this is all we have.  

Edited August 14, 2020 by Insider

[Alex in PA.]

It is good to see the NGC Forum becoming revived after many years of being avoided.  So folks:  Go get em!

[RichieRich2020]

7 hours ago, bsshog40 said:

This is where you have no clue  who you are talking to or about. You are nothing but a little newbie TROLL that came on this forum to convince somebody that your damaged dime was worth something other than 10c. Everyone that you have tried to influence with your arrogance, has told you it's worth a dime. You have been given opinions from  some of the most respected people in the industry and yet you cry and stomp your little feet because it's not what you want to hear. You give excuses for not wanting to send it to any of the top TPG's because I think we all know why, you know it's junk and, like a troll, just can't give up irritating people. You created more havoc in  this one thread on this forum than I have seen in quite some time. I'm really surprised that NGC has let this worthless thread run sooo long. I will be blocking you after this post. You are nothing but an immature, supposed 40 yr old man??? LOL You act just like the adult children  of today. Someone who lives in their mommy's house, no job, playing video games and visiting internet forums and pretending to be someone that you are not. In my opinion, you are nothing but a POS and I'm done entertaining you. If NGC doesn't start removing trolls like yourself sooner, this forum will go even further downhill!!!! YOU NEED HELP!!!

First of all how dare you speak to me that way when YOU CLEARLY DO NOT KNOW ME from a can of paint and therefore you should keep all your disrespectful and brave internet comments to yourself ... And since you want to bring up the NGC I do hope that the NGC administration reads all your comments because they really need to band people like you altogether . You clearly seem have mental retardation issues and are delusional and you seem to enjoy STALKING OTHER PEOPLE POST and insulting people over the Internet who disagree with your negative opinions . Infact heres a little NEWS FLASH FOR YOU ...   Just because you or any coin expert decides to gives an opinion don't mean that it's a PROVEN FACT especially WITHOUT ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING IN SUPPORT OF IT . in otherwords . I hate to break the news to you so bluntly but you are not a COIN GOD and neither are they so you really need to come back down to earth and have a reality and check .  Further more from this point on ... please be sure to remove yourself from my post and find someone else to harass ok because Im 100% POSITIVE that I did not ask you for your idiotic opinions or comments in the first place and I no longer want you commenting on my post TROLL . 

[RWB]

"Could this be a new discovery of a Roosevelt dime with a special matte finish ?!?!?!"

No.

[RichieRich2020]

9 hours ago, Insider said:

 

Sorry to hear you hit your head and broke some bones in the accident.  There are several places where you can send you coin for a free exam.  All it takes is a phone call or letter + return postage.  Collector's Clearinghouse did this at one time and I know there is at least one TPGS that would look at it for free because if it is unaltered it would be front page news for the TPGS that authenticated it. 

BTW, I'm dealing at the moment with a man who has a unique coin that he has been trying to get certified for years.  No one will call it bad yet no one will authenticate it either.  Guess I'm his last shot.  The reason I'm mentioning this fact is like you, he plans to take it to his grave if it is not authenticated.  His plan is safe with me but he better not mention this to any one else because grave robbers may want his unique million dollar coin.

 

 Well thank you alot for the very helpful info . I will certainly see if I can try one of those trusted sources you mentioned . Infact I'm very glad to see that there are still a few other coin collectors out there who have no problem with accepting that there are possibly unique coins floating around which some people will tend to quickly claim that isn't anything without bothering to conduct any test to show that it really isnt . Like the fact that you say NO ONE WILL CALL HIS COIN BAD BUT YET NO ONE WILL AUTHENTICATE IT . And to a rational person it makes you wonder if I should even waist my time trying to get ANY REAL ASSESSMENT of it especially since this sort of thing seems to be the norm in most coin circles . Or maybe I could just try to speak with him directly to see if it's even worth all the hurtles he had to go through for years without no real resolution with coin specialist being so reluctant to even authenticate his . Infact i'm almost sure that I will more then likely experience the same response as well if there is simply NO WAY OF ACTUALLY PROVING THE ORIGIN OF THE COINS FINISH or that it might just be SLAPPED with one of their famous labels for ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE or ALTERED COIN SIMPLY CAUSE WE SAY IT IS .... BECAUSE TO BE HONEST IM STILL WAITING FOR A SINGLE SHRED OF PROOF OF A EVIORMENTAL COIN JUST LIKE THIS ONE OR EVEN A SANDBLASTED COIN THAT SOMEONE CREATED WITH THE SAME PROFESSIONAL FINISH TO SHOW EVERYONE EXACTLY WHAT THEY CLAIM IT IS .  LOL

Edited August 15, 2020 by RichieRich2020

[RichieRich2020]

10 hours ago, World Colonial said:

Especially under US criteria, there are plenty of "rare" coins:  errors, obscure die varieties, the TPG grade.  Approximately 99% aren't, won't and shouldn't be worth any meaningful value because what makes it "rare" or even unique isn't interesting to hardly anyone, predominantly if not exclusively only to those who claim it because they want to make a windfall.  99% of those who own these coins wouldn't pay any meaningful price for it either.  They just think someone else should with theirs. 

That's the reality with this coin, even if it is what the OP claims.  Why would anyone want it at any meaningful price, other than because the OP prefers it?

On one occasion, I bought a (purported) three coin silvered bronze set from Cayon.  It was a 1952 South African farthing, half penny and penny.  I paid about $1600 for it.  The listing claimed evidence to support the auction description but didn't provide it.  NGC returned it as "artificially colored".

When I spoke to someone, they told me they wouldn't agree with Cayon without evidence to prove that it actually came this way from the SA Mint.  I didn't blame them or whine about the result.  Cayon refunded my money but it was my fault for not knowing this in advance.  In retrospect, there is no reason to believe South Africa would have struck KGVI patterns the last year of the series.  It doesn't make any sense. 

It's "possible" the US Mint could have struck a previously unknown or unrecorded "matte" or "SP" (clad) FDR dime but what reason is there to believe it?  For what purpose?  What we do know is that in over 700,000 combined grading events by both NGC and PCGS, there isn't a single one recorded for any FDR dime date, except 1964-1966 SMS.

WELL I GOTTA ADMIT ...  THIS HAS TO BE ONE OF THE MOST HONEST AND LOGICAL REPLIES THAT IVE READ . AND I CANT EVEN DISAGREE WITH YOU ONE BIT . SO IM HOPING THAT IM ABLE FIND A VERY REPUTABLE AND PROFESSIONAL COIN COMPANY WHO BELIEVES IN THOROUGHLY EXAMINING AND TESTING COINS IN ALL RESPECTS BEFORE SLAPPING THE FAMOUS ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE OR ALTERED COIN LABEL ON IT WITHOUT ANY TESTING ... 

Edited August 15, 2020 by RichieRich2020

[RichieRich2020]

13 hours ago, Quintus Arrius said:

I respectfully disagree. It doesn't take much to engage an OP on his own terms.  Besides, this thread, remarkable for both its length and the extended discussions it has evoked from every quarter of the Forum, is worth its weight in gold on entertainment value alone. Some people, I guess, just take things too seriously. I am with you on this one, RichieRich2020!

Well I can't agree with you more QA ... Infact Im not sure we're all the anger and rage came from but I do believe that the lad may really want to seek some counseling because it seems like he seriously has some major anger issues going on ...

Edited August 15, 2020 by RichieRich2020

[World Colonial]

7 hours ago, RichieRich2020 said:

WELL I GOTTA ADMIT ...  THIS HAS TO BE ONE OF THE MOST HONEST AND LOGICAL REPLIES THAT IVE READ . AND I CANT EVEN DISAGREE WITH YOU ONE BIT . SO IM HOPING THAT IM ABLE FIND A VERY REPUTABLE AND PROFESSIONAL COIN COMPANY WHO BELIEVES IN THOROUGHLY EXAMINING AND TESTING COINS IN ALL RESPECTS BEFORE SLAPPING THE FAMOUS ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE OR ALTERED COIN LABEL ON IT WITHOUT ANY TESTING ... 

I'm not aware you are going to get NGC or PCGS to test your coin.  Are you willing to incur this expense? It certainly won't be cheap.. We are likely talking about hundreds of dollars at minimum.  I don't think they do this in-house and for the reasons you have read here, don't believe they would agree to send it out either.  And they shouldn't.

What testing do you propose and what exactly is there to test?  I have never heard of testing for environmental damage which is what you are being told here.  Will you even accept the results, from anyone?  Your replies here indicate you won't.

I don't even remember what everyone else has written by now but the point I was making in my last reply is that there is no record of a matte FDR dime ever being struck.  Or if there is, I have no knowledge of it.  

I'm aware of unrecorded coins being recognized but usually (always?) it's from a time when the US (or other) Mint didn't keep comprehensive records or the records were later found to support the claim.  RWB who posted above would know about that, as he is one of the foremost researchers of US coinage alive.

I don't know about other TPG.  "insider" works for one of them but even if they agree to do it and agree with you, it's almost a certainly that it won't be accepted by most collectors because that's the reality of the marketplace.  It won't "cross" to NGC or PCGS which means most collectors won't recognize it either.  (The 1936 South Africa "MS" farthing is a "not close at all" example.  NGC recognizes it because it's in Krause but the price indicates there is substantial doubt over its classification.)

The last point I'll make here is that your posts make it evident you don't understand what drives collector demand which would make this coin worth what you think it should be.  A few posts here have indicated it's "possible" but as usual, they write in the abstract.

The rarity alone isn't enough to make anyone want it.  That's part of what I was explaining in my prior posts.  The "No S" dimes are presumably expensive for the reasons I gave, included first in the Red Book and then later added to Registry Sets.  If NGC or PCGS don't recognize your coin (which they won't for all the reasons here), you'll never get it added to the registry which means it's never going to be worth what you want either.

[Alex in PA.]

11 and climbing.

[Henri Charriere]

57 minutes ago, Alex in PA. said:

11 and climbing.

Quite frankly, the only aspect I find irresistibly intriguing is the presence of that "diagnostic marker" which not a single viewer of this thread has addressed head-on either by concurring, or outright refutation.  WonderCoin did NOT equivocate. I do hope, after recovery from his injuries -- this is not a matter of urgency and can be pursued at one's leisure -- RichieRich2020 gets to the bottom of this most encouraging lead and solves the mystery. [And Alex, I hereby declare you to be the King of the Emojis! 😀 Keep up the good work!]

Edited August 15, 2020 by Quintus Arrius
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[World Colonial]

10 minutes ago, Quintus Arrius said:

Quite frankly, the only aspect I find irresistibly intriguing is the presence of that "diagnostic marker" which not a single viewer of this thread has addressed head-on either by concurring, or outright refutation.  WonderCoin did NOT equivocate. I do hope, after recovery from his injuries -- this is not a matter of urgency and can be pursued at one's leisure -- RichieRich2020 gets to the bottom of this most encouraging lead and solves the mystery. [And Alex, I hereby declare you to be the King of the Emojis! 😀 Keep up the good work!]

No one needs to refute anything.  There is no record of such a coin being struck or if there is, where is it?

What you are inferring is the equivalent of disproving a negative.  In the absence of proof that such a coin was struck by the US Mint, it's up to the OP or those (you) who agree it might be true to prove it. 

That's the standard I couldn't demonstrate in my example of the South African coins I bought.  Should I have expected NGC to disprove Cayon's auction listing? 

It's nonsensical.

[Henri Charriere]

1 minute ago, World Colonial said:

No one needs to refute anything.  There is no record of such a coin being struck or if there is, where is it?

What you are inferring is the equivalent of disproving a negative.  In the absence of proof that such a coin was struck by the US Mint, it's up to the OP or those (you) who agree it might be true to prove it. 

That's the standard I couldn't demonstrate in my example of the South African coins I bought.  Should I have expected NGC to disprove Cayon's auction listing? 

It's nonsensical.

Having just viewed the various offerings being made in advance of Heritage's so-called Error Coin auction, I wonder whether the U.S. Mint maintains records of their production. No, of course not. For incredible reasons that go well beyond human comprehension, they are deemed to be legitimate "errors."  Nobody questions the very  existence of some of these impossible sleight-of-hand creations. I have yet to see anyone on this thread take issue with WonderCoin's assertion that what he recognized to be a "diagnostic marker," was anything but. True, no one has to acknowledge or refute the assertion. I am merely observing that no one, in a position to do so, whether by knowledge or experience, has done so. And that, to me, is telling.

[l.cutler]

43 minutes ago, Quintus Arrius said:

Quite frankly, the only aspect I find irresistibly intriguing is the presence of that "diagnostic marker" which not a single viewer of this thread has addressed head-on either by concurring, or outright refutation.  WonderCoin did NOT equivocate. I do hope, after recovery from his injuries -- this is not a matter of urgency and can be pursued at one's leisure -- RichieRich2020 gets to the bottom of this most encouraging lead and solves the mystery. [And Alex, I hereby declare you to be the King of the Emojis! 😀 Keep up the good work!]

I hate to speak for WonderCoin, but his reference to a diagnostic marker is just a die marker that could be used to identify other coins from the same die.  His suggestion was to look for other dimes with this same marker, to see if they exhibited the same type of finish or any similarities.  It most certainly was not posted as some kind of marker to indicate this coin is something special.

[World Colonial]

5 minutes ago, Quintus Arrius said:

Having just viewed the various offerings being made in advance of Heritage's so-called Error Coin auction, I wonder whether the U.S. Mint maintains records of their production. No, of course not. For incredible reasons that go well beyond human comprehension, they are deemed to be legitimate "errors."  Nobody questions the very  existence of some of these impossible sleight-of-hand creations. I have yet to see anyone on this thread take issue with WonderCoin's assertion that what he recognized to be a "diagnostic marker," was anything but. True, no one has to acknowledge or refute the assertion. I am merely observing that no one, in a position to do so, whether by knowledge or experience, has done so. And that, to me, is telling.

How would this con be an error?

By definition, errors are supposed to occur by accident.  How would a matte proof coin accidentally be struck?

You may be more familiar with the manufacturing methods of matte proof coins (since I don't even like it), but others here certainly know this.

It's also "possible" some Mint employee could have done this without authorization but there is no reason to believe it's realistic either.  It's my opinion this is how many "errors" were produced but that's an assumption only.  Logically, there is no motive for anyone to strike one coin for this particular date from this mint as a matte proof.  If it were many though still a low number, there is far more reason to believe it would have been documented.

In assessing the feasibility of any previously unknown variations or coins, there is a big difference with the probability in the recent past versus "a long time ago".  There are a noticeable (though still low) number of subsequently recognized US coins previously not known.  I can also give you several examples of coins believed to be genuine which were later determined to be something other than what was initially believed, including fakes.

How does any of this apply to this coin?

[World Colonial]

10 minutes ago, l.cutler said:

I hate to speak for WonderCoin, but his reference to a diagnostic marker is just a die marker that could be used to identify other coins from the same die.  His suggestion was to look for other dimes with this same marker, to see if they exhibited the same type of finish or any similarities.  It most certainly was not posted as some kind of marker to indicate this coin is something special.

That's how I read his comments also.

[Henri Charriere]

16 minutes ago, World Colonial said:

That's how I read his comments also.

Alright, would anyone care to posit a guess as to who placed the marker on the coin, when, and why?

[l.cutler]

15 minutes ago, Quintus Arrius said:

Alright, would anyone care to posit a guess as to who placed the marker on the coin, when, and why?

All a die marker is, is something unique to that die.  It could be a chip, crack, die polish line something of that sort.  It is just something that can be used to identify coins from that die.  It is not some secret identifier placed on a die for some special reason.

Edited August 15, 2020 by l.cutler

[VKurtB]

I'm done with Quintus Arrias. He's either being intentionally provocative (also known as 'trolling') or is so ignorant of coin industry terminology to render himself incapable of being reasoned with.  He is an prime example of the rise of anti-intellectualism, in which "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge". A "diagnostic marker" as something intentionally put there by somebody? C'mon, maaaan. Get a grip, or at least some knowledge. You're playing around with things beyond your knowledge, Quintus. Either you never have known what the *spoon* you're talking about, or you've gone senile.

Edited August 15, 2020 by VKurtB

[kbbpll]

 

[Henri Charriere]

42 minutes ago, VKurtB said:

I'm done with Quintus Arrias. He's either being intentionally provocative (also known as 'trolling') or is so ignorant of coin industry terminology to render himself incapable of being reasoned with.  He is an prime example of the rise of anti-intellectualism, in which "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge". A "diagnostic marker" as something intentionally put there by somebody? C'mon, maaaan. Get a grip, or at least some knowledge. You're playing around with things beyond your knowledge, Quintus. Either you never have known what the *spoon* you're talking about, or you've gone senile.

This coming from someone whose own opinion was roundly dismissed as the "most ignorant" that viewer had seen all year -- an observation you chose not to respond to.  What gives?

[Fenntucky Mike]

 

10 minutes ago, kbbpll said:

 

Very much so always liked a good comedy.

Can't wait to see how it ends....Someday.

[MAULEMALL]

4 minutes ago, Fenntucky Mike said:

 

Very much so always liked a good comedy.

Can't wait to see how it ends....Someday.

oooo ...oooooo... I can get it shut down...😁

[Alex in PA.]

[RonnieR131]

I did my part, tried to buy it three times, after all, it is the only one known to exist. Chinese are making fakes as we speak.

[Coinbuf]

4 hours ago, Quintus Arrius said:

Quite frankly, the only aspect I find irresistibly intriguing is the presence of that "diagnostic marker" which not a single viewer of this thread has addressed head-on either by concurring, or outright refutation.  WonderCoin did NOT equivocate. I do hope, after recovery from his injuries -- this is not a matter of urgency and can be pursued at one's leisure -- RichieRich2020 gets to the bottom of this most encouraging lead and solves the mystery. [And Alex, I hereby declare you to be the King of the Emojis! 😀 Keep up the good work!]

It has been addressed many times and your complete and total lack of and understanding of what a die marker is, is very telling.

Edited August 15, 2020 by Coinbuf