people who loved toned coins dont like coins

[midwest]

Ok this is a half baked post but thought I would throw it out there.People who like toned coins don't really enjoy coins.First I like toned coins so no nasty PM's

 

Ok when coins were struck they were white.Now some of you cringe at the thought of a monster toned morgan proof being dipped to remove the tone.However the people who like blast white coins appreciate them for what they are.They like to see them like they were when they came off the dies.The way they were meant to be enjoyed.

 

You tone lovers however like color on it however that tone is really going black.Therefore if a coin keeps toneing you have actually ruined a coin because it turns black

 

The people who whiten coins are not evil theyjust love coins the way they were.You guys though like coins that basicly have rust on them.Sure you pay less for a rusty car but the second it is on the coin get out your wallet boys!

 

Thank you for listening to my half baked post

 

Come back tommorrow when I rant about people who like uncirculated coins

[McKinley-migration]

interesting angle..

i suppose if you think about it, toned coins will eventually just go black... even if it takes 1000 years, that's where they're heading..

[cpm9ball]

Ok this is a half baked post but thought I would throw it out there.People who like toned coins don't really enjoy coins.First I like toned coins so no nasty PM's

 

Ok when coins were struck they were white.Now some of you cringe at the thought of a monster toned morgan proof being dipped to remove the tone.However the people who like blast white coins appreciate them for what they are.They like to see them like they were when they came off the dies.The way they were meant to be enjoyed.

 

You tone lovers however like color on it however that tone is really going black.Therefore if a coin keeps toneing you have actually ruined a coin because it turns black

 

The people who whiten coins are not evil theyjust love coins the way they were.You guys though like coins that basicly have rust on them.Sure you pay less for a rusty car but the second it is on the coin get out your wallet boys!

 

Thank you for listening to my half baked post

 

Come back tommorrow when I rant about people who like uncirculated coins

 

RACIST!!!!!!!

 

Chris

[CTcollector]

Someone once said to me when I was first starting out with coins. It can take a hundred years for a coin to achieve nice orignal toning and only a minute to dip it off. I've always remembered that and its pretty much in line with my current collecting style. I like coins with individual character and the way mother nature intended them to be. I have nothing against people who dip (or as i say commercialize) coins, it just makes my collection of original coins more irreplaceable, at least in my eyes !!!

[midwest]

Ok this is a half baked post but thought I would throw it out there.People who like toned coins don't really enjoy coins.First I like toned coins so no nasty PM's

 

Ok when coins were struck they were white.Now some of you cringe at the thought of a monster toned morgan proof being dipped to remove the tone.However the people who like blast white coins appreciate them for what they are.They like to see them like they were when they came off the dies.The way they were meant to be enjoyed.

 

You tone lovers however like color on it however that tone is really going black.Therefore if a coin keeps toneing you have actually ruined a coin because it turns black

 

The people who whiten coins are not evil theyjust love coins the way they were.You guys though like coins that basicly have rust on them.Sure you pay less for a rusty car but the second it is on the coin get out your wallet boys!

 

Thank you for listening to my half baked post

 

Come back tommorrow when I rant about people who like uncirculated coins

 

RACIST!!!!!!!

 

Chris

 

 

AL SHARPTON!!!!!!!!!

[EZ_E]

Actually, you're kind of right. The closer the colors come to purple and blue then the closer they are to turning black (which is irrepairable damage). This is actually a crucial point to consider before conservation. Darker colors, as mentioned, have reacted deeper into the surface of the coin and may have actually eaten into the surface of the coin.

 

This must be considered before conservation since some toning may cover a multitude of sins. And, if the toning is removed, the coin's eye-appeal may be seriously hurt. This is why coin doctoring is so prevalent. (I actually do agree with retoning to an extent if it can seriously improve a coin's eye-appeal. Yet, I don't see AT bringing a premium. Actually, a non-original coin, in general, should be discounted, IMO.) I wonder how long before the market actually rewards originality??

[prooflike]

I appreciate toned coins, but I also like 'untoned' coins and in some series they can be challenging to find. It took me quite a while to find an MS66 Buffalo nickel in an 'as new shiny white color', most have some kind of goldish/champagne tone by now, and the Buffalos don't dip well.

[coppertop-migration]

At what point do you need to worry about a coin getting too dark to the point its irreversable? I have a couple of commemoratives from the late 1800s that are getting dark (nicely toned, but pretty dark).

 

This is the first that I have heard about coins getting too toned. I sure would hate to mess with the toning...

[supertooth]

OK----This is a sensitive subject to me. So let"s just put it right out there where it belongs. Once you start fooling with a coin you will have to keep fooling with that coin. Oh, it might take a few years to look bad again---but it will surely never ever be original again. That is 100% certain. And, do not kid yourselves, a pro can tell the difference 99% of the time. So my advice is simple---just leave it alone---unless the coin has some of the more disasterous problems [seawater etc.] which would require the coin to need NCS. Toning is a natural thing. And, if it is a 100 year old coin, it can be a beautiful way that Mother Nature has affected its surfaces. The colors can be "outstanding". Even if your coin is a "darker" color----how old is it? If it took 100+ years to get that way, it most likely will take another 100 years to change to an even darker color. By that time you will be dead and gone. Someone else will own the coin. But, if you play with that coin, then they will definitely have to fool with it too. And eventually "ALL" the luster will be gone anyway because it was "conserved" too many times. Think about it. We and the coins are exposed to oxygen and other elements all day long---every day. At some point the coin must react with its surroundings to at least some degree. Why not let the process be a natural one? Why must man put his dirty hands into everything? Why destroy what it took Mother Nature decades or longer to produce? And one more thing. There is nothing more beautiful than an XF45 set of black original "early" Walkers. Or a set of Barbers. Or a Seated set. Or a Bust set of halves. So, if it is not already white, think before you try to make it white. Bob [supertooth]

[kryptonitecomics]

I like my coins original......so that is why I prefer toned coins as in the vast majority of cases coins were not stored in conditions that would have prevented them from toning over the course of a 100+ years.

 

For those that choose blast white coins.....I say more power too you, but in a high percentage of cases those coins had help getting that way and certainly dipping removes some of the luster from the coins surface no matter how careful you are.

 

I would also caution that using the rationale that if you like white coins it's becuase they look the way the mint intended them to look......that's pretty silly when you think about it especially considering Uncirculated coinage. Business strikes where meant to circulate so in essence the mint intended them to be used and acquire wear. The original intention wasn't for them to be stored in air tight containers and remain blast white for 100 years.

 

......maybe a case can be made from proofs which were created for collectors and were not intended for normal commerce and circulation.

 

Frankly it's your money so I hope everyone choses what they prefer as they are the only one's they need to please at the end of the day.

 

By the way liking toned coins is not the same thing as liking rusty coins.....Steel rusts, silver oxidizes and doesn't crumble into dust at some point. Also keep in mind that in a large percentage of cases once a coin is removed from it's original enviroment that caused the coin to tone in the first place the toning process is typically dramatically reduced or stops all together so to say that a nice colorful coin is going to continue to turn colors until it goes black is just not the case.

 

Contaminants can remain on a coin surface depending on how it was stored, but if you ask any long time buyer or seller about toned coins, they would be able to provide a vast supply of stories about coins looking exactly the same after 30 or 40 years. Nothing is guaranteed.....but don't limit yourself to just white coins for fear that a pretty rainbow toner will be black in 10 years....if stored properly...there is very little chance of that happening.

 

Not trying to rant or anything just provide a few more facts about toning

[midwest]

You aren't taking what I say seriously are you

 

 

Dont forget monday will be people who like uncirculated coins dont like coins

[kryptonitecomics]

Well I do take it seriously but not in a bad way....there are tons of folks who don't like toned coins or rather would prefer pretty white ones. As I said.....I don't see a problem with that...heck I used to collect like that for years....but I think whether this thread is in jest or serious...it can still be educational for all parties concerned.

 

Nothing like expressing opinions on likes and dislikes

[supertooth]

Would like to add another thought about this issue. If a coin collector likes a totally white coin for his collection, that is OK by me. What bothers me is that sometimes he will come into contact with an "original" toned coin and then "create" his white coin out of it. He will forever take that coin out of a constantly dwindling number of "original" coins. He does this for his own self interests----not the coin"s best interests. For the coin is at the mercy of its current owner. What I would ask is find your white coin out of the already abundant number that is already out there. You do not need to alter the toned coin. Sell it to someone like me who will appreciate it for what it is. Then go out and buy one that is already white, bright and shiny. Then we both WIN. Bob [supertooth]

[EZ_E]

coppertop,

 

Just becareful with your storage. Use Interceptshield or the like to help preserve them.

 

I have a couple of silver halves that had very sweet toning but they eventually turned darker because I didn't remove them from their environment and they continued toning to a less desirable level. What a shame, too. I had a Walker with a gorgeous blue rainbow that's not the same anymore.

 

So, appreciate the originality of your coins if they have eye-appeal and be very, very careful of where and how you store them.

 

Remember that the darker the toning then the deeper the reaction is in relation to the surface of the coin.

[DonHeath]

Try rationalizing why copper guys covet untoned full red, while the silver folks love toners.

[coppertop-migration]

EZ-E,

 

The coins I have were stored in a wood coin collectors cabinet with jewelers trays for over 100 years. I think the wood and possibly the material on the trays (not felt, but some find of fine, smooth material) is what caused them to tone they way that they have. I will have to look into how to store them from this point forward. I want to keep most of the coins in the same cabinet for nostalgia's sake, but will probably store them in some kind of medium (2x2 Mylar or some other product) to keep them from toning more than they have.

 

Thanks for the advise. I would never personally try to alter the toning of the coins I have. In my mind, I could only mess them up. I have some Morgan silver dollars from the late 1800's and a bunch of 1901-Os that are pretty white, but from what I read, that's pretty normal for Morgans.

[Oldtrader3]

Actually Don, I kind of favor RB copper or bronze Cents that have acquired a blue or violet patina from storage in a old wooden coin cabinet. Most earlier "RD" cents being offered are (or nearly are) RB anyway. So, why pay the extra money to watch them change color to RB in the slab as I have had several do. You make a valid point though.

[kryptonitecomics]

Actually Don, I kind of favor RB copper or bronze Cents that have acquired a blue or violet patina from storage in a old wooden coin cabinet. Most earlier "RD" cents being offered are (or nearly are) RB anyway. So, why pay the extra money to watch them change color to RB in the slab as I have had several do. You make a valid point though.

 

Yep I have never purchased a red IHC and probably never will as I am partial to beautifully toned RB and Browns

[EZ_E]

I would recommend getting an airtite (use this brand) holder for your coins. They come in all sizes, are quite attractive and protect your coin quite well.

 

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[Morgannut]

First You're completely incorrect: Coins come in GOLD, Silver Copper, Nickel and many other colors except white---which isn't really a color but a combination.

 

I suppose your point is that some artists are minimalists and like mostly blank canvasses. Others prefer a depth of artistic color and design and appreciate the sophistication which is required to understand or admire these works of art ( or HATE then as the case may be).

 

Frankly I find coins in pristine state to best reflect the coin (artist's) designer's original idea, so I sort of agree with you. The problem is when the coin dippers, doctors, etal. interject thier own art into a coin's appearance--- without Mr. Barber, or Mr Morgans, etal.s, permission. At least nature is impartial verses dealers "improving" a surface to FAKE an original "look".

[Oldtrader3]

Quite a few Barber and Seated coins come with a fairly thick layer of white toning. So much so that it is difficult to see the mint luster underneath this toning. I do not believe that many of these coins have been dipped. They just did not color up (form the nm coating of a particular color) when they toned as other coins did.

[Bruceswar]

Since when did Morgan and Barber Become men.. just a question

[cpm9ball]

Since when did Morgan and Barber Become men.. just a question

 

Early sex-change experiments, no doubt ...............or.................at the age of puberty!

 

Chris

[SilverDollarMan]

OK----This is a sensitive subject to me. So let"s just put it right out there where it belongs. Once you start fooling with a coin you will have to keep fooling with that coin. Oh, it might take a few years to look bad again---but it will surely never ever be original again. That is 100% certain. And, do not kid yourselves, a pro can tell the difference 99% of the time. So my advice is simple---just leave it alone---unless the coin has some of the more disasterous problems [seawater etc.] which would require the coin to need NCS. Toning is a natural thing. And, if it is a 100 year old coin, it can be a beautiful way that Mother Nature has affected its surfaces. The colors can be "outstanding". Even if your coin is a "darker" color----how old is it? If it took 100+ years to get that way, it most likely will take another 100 years to change to an even darker color. By that time you will be dead and gone. Someone else will own the coin. But, if you play with that coin, then they will definitely have to fool with it too. And eventually "ALL" the luster will be gone anyway because it was "conserved" too many times. Think about it. We and the coins are exposed to oxygen and other elements all day long---every day. At some point the coin must react with its surroundings to at least some degree. Why not let the process be a natural one? Why must man put his dirty hands into everything? Why destroy what it took Mother Nature decades or longer to produce? And one more thing. There is nothing more beautiful than an XF45 set of black original "early" Walkers. Or a set of Barbers. Or a Seated set. Or a Bust set of halves. So, if it is not already white, think before you try to make it white. Bob [supertooth]

Well said!

[Oldtrader3]

Morgan and Barber were men although we also refer to their coin designs by their sirnames.

[dizzyfoxx]