1863 Indian Head Question

[coppertop-migration]

New poster here....

 

I have a couple of worn 1863 pennies that don't look like the normal pattern. Instead of "United States of America" around the indian head, there are 13 stars, and it doesn't appear there is "LIBERTY" on the head dress. Both are a little different, one has the stars raised.

 

One of the coins has a faint "not" above the "one cent" on the reverse side.

 

I can't find this in the regular coin books and have tried internet searches but can't find these.

 

Since these coins are from the Civil War period, not sure if they are counterfeit, confederate knock-offs or something else.

 

Any ideas?

[whoopig01]

If they are worn that could explain the no liberty problem. Can you post some pics?

[coppertop-migration]

They are worn, but it is clear that in the place of "liberty" there are round circles adorning the head dress along the entire band. So it is discernable that no "liberty" was on the coin.

 

I will try to get some pictures up, but have never taken pictures of coins before. Any suggestions?

 

Thx

[spiny]

I don't think I've seen a civil war token with "not one cent" on it, just the hard times tokens from a couple three decades before. But there again, I don't have a lot of experience with either. Showing pictures would be your best shot at getting them figured out.

[kryptonitecomics]

Sounds like Civil war tokens to me and not Indian Head cents. The date is right as most of these are dated 1863-1865 and Indian Heads appeared on numerous examples. If they are well worn then my guess is that they would only be worth a few dollars each.

 

Go on Ebay and look in the coin section for Civil war tokens and I am sure you will find some examples that are similar

 

Ebay Auction 1

 

Ebay auction 2

 

Ebay auction 3

[spiny]

I will try to get some pictures up, but have never taken pictures of coins before. Any suggestions?

 

Thx

 

Sure. It's pretty easy. A couple of things I'd need to know before offering suggestions, though.

 

Do you have a digital camera or a scanner? Do you have software to resize the picture?

[whoopig01]

Is this the obverse?

 

 

 

Is this the coin?

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3456&item=3971689618&rd=1

[spiny]

I think you got it with #3.

[coppertop-migration]

Yes, I suspect they are tokens also.

 

I have both a scanner and a 3M digital camera. I am proficient in both, but I have noticed that some peoples pictures are great while others are, well....

 

Is there a good site or reference on Tokens?

[spiny]

The scanner would probably be best for a quick picture to just i.d. the tokens. Scan, crop, resize until you have a picture around 300x300 pixels then in the screen where you preview your post, there's a box where you can attach pictures from your computer.

 

http://www.civilwartokens.com/ has a listing of all the types of patriotic tokens by Fuld number, but no pictures. There are some links at the bottom of that page that may have more info.

[coppertop-migration]

Here is the scan of the two coins. Note the initals "ES" on one of the coins, and that the "not" before "one cent" is faint.

 

Thanks for the help.

[coppertop-migration]

Here's a bigger picture

[spiny]

Those should do.

Somebody will probably wander by that can i.d. them by Fuld number, if that's what you're looking for.

[kryptonitecomics]

Yes clearly Civil war tokens but I don't own any reference material to attribute them......but at least we pointed you in the right direction