U.S. Coin Die?

[woody-migration]

Hello, Bought an interesting item on eBay. . . Described as a 'coin die' and the picture associated with it showed a reverse image of Abe, motto, 1972 S, etc. I assumed (I know. . . ) that it would be the same size as a cent. Received it today and it is BIG. About 2 1/2" in diameter and solid steel wieghing about 5 pounds. Looks just like a big, reverse of the obverse (!). Is this a pattern or some form of the die/tooling process that the mint utilizes or is this a die that would be used for making big replicas (and not U.S.)? I know you can buy a defaced die directly from the mint these days but I thought maybe, back in 1972, you could buy some cool, used mint stuff. Any help would be appreciated! Thanks, Woody

[TomB]

I replied to your thread in the water cooler and will give the short answer here; I don't think you bought a US Mint product.

[James_OldeTowne]

It sounds like a die that any of several private mints might use to produce medals, or something like that.

 

James

[woody-migration]

Thanks Tom and James,

 

The eBay auction #, should you wish to check it out, is 3952879463. I appreciate any/all info/opinions!

 

Paul

[michael]

could someone please post a link for me

 

thanks

[gmarguli]

could someone please post a link for me

 

thanks

 

Link for Michael. Don't ANYONE Else Dare Use it!!!

[michael]

Bid what you like because all my auctions are the Real Deal! My Auction Never have a Reserve - So someone always really wins…. Most of my auctions start at only 1 cent.........

 

Some people think I might be insane but I know that the fair price always comes out in the wash….

 

a fair price for whom?? the ignorant and unformed who read these clever words and bid on dreck

 

 

 

the soap you are using much be clouding your mind and costing you $187.50 to wash your dirty [#@$%!!!] stained underpants

[Hoot]

could someone please post a link for me

 

thanks

 

Link for Michael. Don't ANYONE Else Dare Use it!!!

 

I didn't use it! Somehow eBay came up on my computer automatically and sure enough, it was that VERY auction! Damnedest luck!

 

Hoot

[James_OldeTowne]

It is clearly not a Federal mint product. Below is a super-sized image of the obverse die, mirrored to the orientation of real coin, and as you can see, it looks nothing like a genuine 1972 Lincoln cent. It's strictly a novelty item, but could be worth some bucks to the right person!

 

Woody, the seller should have clearly explained the size of the item so that it would not have been mistaken as a genuine mint die, so if you feel you were misled, you should return the item.

 

 

James

[TomB]

I just looked at the auction and it surprised me that anyone would bid on this thinking it was a US Mint die since a casual glance at the features make it appear that the details look not quite right for a Lincoln cent. The seller is Scarsdale Coin and he is a member of both the PCGS and NGC coin boards. He offers a three day return period but also has a whopping 15% restocking fee! Personally, I would never bid in an auction where there was a restocking fee as I just view these as a way to coerce unhappy buyers to keep the product. In this case, if you are still within your three day window, you would be out $7 shipping, about $28 restocking fee and shipping back (assume another $7). So, this auction mistake would cost you $42!

 

In truth, this looks like a die for those cheap coasters everyone sells on ebay as real coins.

 

Please keep us updated as to how it turns out.

[gmarguli]

In this case, if you are still within your three day window, you would be out $7 shipping, about $28 restocking fee and shipping back (assume another $7). So, this auction mistake would cost you $42!

 

I wouldn't accept letting him keep any restocking fee. All the auction text makes it appear that this is a real US coin die. Most people have never seen a real coin die so they have no idea what one should look like. If this is in fact not a real US coin die, and I think that we are all in agreement that it does not appear to be, I'd contact him and let him know that you feel misled and want to return it and don't expect him to accept a restocking fee or charge you any BS eBay fees. Personally, if he refused, if I paid with PayPal I'd dispute the charges, and then I'd contact the Postal Inspector and file a mail fraud complaint. Of course negative feedback would be left indicating the fraud. But, that's just if he refuses.

[James_OldeTowne]

I don't recognize the name "Scarsdale Coin", and was not aware that he is a forum member. Perhaps he'll explain??

 

It wasn't my intent to stir up any kind of controversy on the boards.

 

James

[woody-migration]

Thanks for all the comments - especially to Tom and James. You know your stuff and I appreciate you sharing it with me. For the record, I do feel that the Seller misrepresented this item by describing it as a "1972 S Lincoln Cent Coin Die" but I should have been suspect and asked a few quick questions. I'll take it up with Seller and see if he feels compelled to work with me. In the meantime, anyone intrerested in buying it before I start 'minting' coasters!? Thanks again. . . .

[EZ_E]

Woody, this piece was misrepresented in the title:

 

 

 

1972 S LINCOLN CENT COIN DIE RARELY OFFERED ! Item number: 3952879463

 

 

The seller clearly states that it is a coin die and does not elaborate further.

 

This is a clear case of misrepresentation and you should get a full refund.

[cpm9ball]

I don't recognize the name "Scarsdale Coin", and was not aware that he is a forum member. Perhaps he'll explain??

 

It wasn't my intent to stir up any kind of controversy on the boards.

 

James

 

James, you're not stirring up any controversy, but I probably am.

 

I've had a previous "encounter" with Scarsdale Jon and when I asked him a question he didn't want to hear, he barred me from bidding in any of his auctions. His loss! My big, big gain!

 

Chris

[James_OldeTowne]

Chris,

 

I'll consider this discussion a warning, and be on my toes with regard to this seller. Thanks!

 

James