1876 Quarter, Breen #4801 "overdate"

[Alan Glasser]

Hello, Gentlemen.

 

I am just double checking on something. I have listed on auction an 1976 25 cent piece, high grade and "cleaned" as stated by PCGS on the body bag. Anyway, Breen lists the piece as "Very Rare" (#4081) but in "The Comprehensive Encyclopedia of United States Seated Liberty Quarters", by Larry Briggs, (Obverse 6), it states , "... six of date heavily repunched south of another 6. Erroneously referred to in the past as an overdate". My coin is in an unfortunate NTC holder graded AU 58 but the coin is nice. My question, does this variety alter the value of the coin in any significant way as I have it online at a bargain price and I would much rather get a "fair" price with the proceeds for my grandson's 529 college fund. If this was your coin, how would you determine price...call it AU 50 but cleaned.

 

Thanks!!! Alan in MA MusicAl

[RWB]

Aha! Another "has Breen" coin. Follow Mr. Briggs' attribution. Repunched digits are not generally responsible for large increases in value.

 

If the coin is in a PCGS body bag, then it can't be in an NTC holder....but it doesn't matter. If it's cleaned it will be up to a buyer to decide if it is a coin they want. If it really is AU58 (and anything with an NTC grade is highly suspect) then it might fetch the price of a high-end EF. (What you might call "AU50" or "AU 55.")

[Alan Glasser]

Hello, RWB.

 

Thanks for your reply and insight into the 1876 quarter. Actually, the coin IS in an NTC holder...I mis-spoke by saying that it is IN a PCGS body bag. PCGS did not remove the coin as per my instructions but sent the grade on the body bag (flip) with the coin in the NTC slab back. Sorry for the confusion! So I listed it on E-Bay considerably discounting for the NTC grade of AU 58. It's a decent coin...just cleaned...hopefully someone will appreciate it.

 

Again, thanks for your thoughts.

 

Alan in MA

[RWB]

Thanks for the clarification -- not sure if it was the post or just my poor addled brain... Hope it sells well for you and that a future owner will be happy.

[physics-fan3.14]

If there is a disagreement with Breen and any other author, I will believe the other author every single time. Briggs is one of the foremost names in Seated Liberty material, so I would trust him.

 

As for value, that largely depends on the individual coin. Can you post pictures? We might be able to help you more.

[coinman1794]

Actually, repunched digits can be very valuable on Seated coins if the coins are nice and, especially so, if the Cherrypicker's Guide lists the specific variety. There are a handful of RPDs (Repunched Dates) and MPDs (Misplaced Dates) for 1876 quarters. Briggs attributions are far superior to Breen ones.

 

[Lucky One]

If there is a disagreement with Breen and any other author, I will believe the other author every single time. Briggs is one of the foremost names in Seated Liberty material, so I would trust him.

 

As for value, that largely depends on the individual coin. Can you post pictures? We might be able to help you more.

 

while Breen's name has been smeared due to some personal problems, he was one of the greatest numismatic researchers of his time and did work for some important people in the hobby. While I would take ANY specialist's word over any general researcher's like Breen's, I never discount anything I see in his encyclopedia, which is a monumental effort for ANY researcher. I didn't know Breen but I met him at the ANA show in 1989 and he was generous enough to delay his trip out of the convention center to take the time to look at a couple coins for me and verify my suspicions, one that I had an 1886 mint state nickel vs proof as I had been told. Not many experts or professional coin dealers would do that today. Give the man credit where it's due, he did a lot more for the hobby than most realize...

[coinman1794]

If there is a disagreement with Breen and any other author, I will believe the other author every single time. Briggs is one of the foremost names in Seated Liberty material, so I would trust him.

 

As for value, that largely depends on the individual coin. Can you post pictures? We might be able to help you more.

 

while Breen's name has been smeared due to some personal problems, he was one of the greatest numismatic researchers of his time and did work for some important people in the hobby. While I would take ANY specialist's word over any general researcher's like Breen's, I never discount anything I see in his encyclopedia, which is a monumental effort for ANY researcher. I didn't know Breen but I met him at the ANA show in 1989 and he was generous enough to delay his trip out of the convention center to take the time to look at a couple coins for me and verify my suspicions, one that I had an 1886 mint state nickel vs proof as I had been told. Not many experts or professional coin dealers would do that today. Give the man credit where it's due, he did a lot more for the hobby than most realize...

 

Breen certainly is owed much credit, but since his time, many others have created specialized variety catalogs that are more comprehensive and precise than the ones Breen created. For that reason, his variety numbers hold little meaning today.

[Lucky One]

If there is a disagreement with Breen and any other author, I will believe the other author every single time. Briggs is one of the foremost names in Seated Liberty material, so I would trust him.

 

As for value, that largely depends on the individual coin. Can you post pictures? We might be able to help you more.

 

while Breen's name has been smeared due to some personal problems, he was one of the greatest numismatic researchers of his time and did work for some important people in the hobby. While I would take ANY specialist's word over any general researcher's like Breen's, I never discount anything I see in his encyclopedia, which is a monumental effort for ANY researcher. I didn't know Breen but I met him at the ANA show in 1989 and he was generous enough to delay his trip out of the convention center to take the time to look at a couple coins for me and verify my suspicions, one that I had an 1886 mint state nickel vs proof as I had been told. Not many experts or professional coin dealers would do that today. Give the man credit where it's due, he did a lot more for the hobby than most realize...

 

Breen certainly is owed much credit, but since his time, many others have created specialized variety catalogs that are more comprehensive and precise than the ones Breen created. For that reason, his variety numbers hold little meaning today.

 

Agreed, but I was only addressing the usefullness and veracity of the information in the encyclopedia, not the variety numbers...

[Alan Glasser]

Once again, I send my thanks for all the contributions to this topic I began. It never ceases to amaze me how many darned SMART and generous people are out there; ready to share their vast knowledge and valuable time.

 

THANK YOU!! Alan in MA