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What do you think of this 1795 Flowing Hair dollar ?

Started by James_OldeTowne,

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RGT

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James, I know about as much about these as I know about SMS Jeffersons but ignorance shouldn't get in the way of expressing an opinion. smirk.gif

 

The coin looks like it has had an old light cleaning. Other than that I can't see anything wrong with it. Nice even wear and no major hits or damage. I like it.

 

Now your going to tell me it came from China... Christo_pull_hair.gif

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I'm not particularly fond of that piece. The past cleaning(s) have removed too much of the natural gray patina that would have developed over time. That said, I'd love to be able to afford one of those pieces but really don't know their pricing.

 

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I don't like the coin at all. Based upon the single set of images, the coin looks to have been more than lightly cleaned in the past, and perhaps even wiped fairly harshly. It is a B5, which is the most common variety for the date, and these can be found in a much more original state than this coin appears to be.

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I think we need to refine our definitions of lightly and harshly cleaned. I don't think that two levels of cleaned is enough. I'm thinking we should make a cleaned scale, maybe from 1 to 70, 1 being cleaned with a grinding wheel and 70 not being cleaned at all. Then every coin could be given a CL number along with it's grade. A dipped coin might be an MS65 CL61 for a heavy dip or MS65 CL67 for a light dip.

 

This coin has definitely been cleaned enough to give the surfaces a washed out appearance, but I can't see any hairlines or scratches from the brillo pad. I'm not sure where that would fall in the scale. Maybe somewhere around CL45-CL50? The scale needs some work.

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I think we need to refine our definitions of lightly and harshly cleaned. I don't think that two levels of cleaned is enough. I'm thinking we should make a cleaned scale, maybe from 1 to 70, 1 being cleaned with a grinding wheel and 70 not being cleaned at all. Then every coin could be given a CL number along with it's grade. A dipped coin might be an MS65 CL61 for a heavy dip or MS65 CL67 for a light dip.

 

This coin has definitely been cleaned enough to give the surfaces a washed out appearance, but I can't see any hairlines or scratches from the brillo pad. I'm not sure where that would fall in the scale. Maybe somewhere around CL45-CL50? The scale needs some work.

 

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BankNote1

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How can you tell that much on a scanned coin? It does look like it might have been cleaned to some degree but so have all Bust Dollars!? Right!?! At least I don't think I have ever seen one that hasn't been cleaned...

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The coin looks completely unnatural. The dark areas around the starts, the light glossy area in from of the face, the darker shades nearer the devices, and the gray color give this coin away as cleaned. It's possible that it could just be a bad picture and the coin could be fine, but I'm 99% sure my cleaned opinion is accurate.

 

Also, this coin needs some serious work to remove all the remaining dirt and recolor it to a more natural look. Sometimes a little coin doctoring can be a good thing.

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Also, this coin needs some serious work to remove all the remaining dirt and recolor it to a more natural look. Sometimes a little coin doctoring can be a good thing.

 

I agree, within reason of course. I would rather have a coin with nice eye-appeal than an original, butt-ugly coin.

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James_OldeTowne

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You all have good eyes! The actual coin does look slightly better than what the scan shows ... BUT, it has had grafitti removed from the obverse, and been subsequently burnished and recolored. It actually has VF details though, and looks MUCH better than it did before the grafitti was removed (I saw it before it was repaired). The coin used to be literally bright green!

 

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CarlWohlforth

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I got stopped on my type set because I couldn't afford to fill holes with coins that looked half way good to my eye. This example doesn't do it for me. It probably would still bring many hundreds if not a grand or more. C'mon, what's it going for?

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I got stopped on my type set because I couldn't afford to fill holes with coins that looked half way good to my eye.

I have the same problem, but I take it more easy....I don't feel it necessary to complete my type set. I enjoy my set even with a lot of holes laugh.gif

 

I think this coin doesn't look very nice to me, but not bad at all.

 

By the way, is it too late to say "a happy new year" to you all? wink.gif

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BankNote1, here is a scan of a completely original, never been cleaned, wiped, burnished, artificially darkened or messed with 1795 Flowing Hair dollar of the B5 variety, the same variety that is listed in the beginning of this thread.

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