ROFLMAO!!!

[Leothelion]

Check this auction out!

 

Leo

[Hoot]

If you're laughing about the quality of the Heritage scan, then I can laugh with you. Otherwise, nothing significant can be told about the coin! The photo is so crappy that nothing makes sense.

 

Hoot

[RGT]

The only thing I noticed was that PCGS called it "FS" while Heritage took the high road and noted that the steps weren't quite full. What that means is that this coin will sell to a slab/registry collector instead of a coin collector.

[Leothelion]

The only thing I noticed was that PCGS called it "FS" while Heritage took the high road and noted that the steps weren't quite full. What that means is that this coin will sell to a slab/registry collector instead of a coin collector.

 

That's right! And they're covering their bottoms on this one! Unlike Bowers and Merena who obviously kept there mouths zipped concerning the two Pcgs, misattributed, non FS 1960-D and 1961-D nickels, Heritage has come out and done the right thing! They have given their honest opinions and when whoever gets this coin, if it sells and we all know that it will, some pcgs registry guy will put it in his registry set knowing full well it's not a full step coin!

As some of you are already aware, I bought Bern N. #1 set 1960-D. I didn't find out til I talked to Bern about his 60-D that sold for $32 grand in Pittsburgh. But Bern told me that he had two sets and that Steve Wells, the Nevadaman, bought both collections! That's when I found out about #1 set 60-D. Bern bought the coin back from Steve because pcgs wouldn't certify it and rightly so. The #2 set 60-D, according to Bern, didn't have full steps either. Bern, an author of several books also kept notes on his coins and he listed his #2 60-D as having "5.00 minus" steps! Bern would add a minus sign to note that the coin did not have 5 complete steps but that they were the best steps he could find for the date. As for most FS Jefferson collectors in his day, Bern did not consider that 2nd 60-D as a quality fully strucked coin. And as most collectors in his day and there are a few today including Hoot and Corso, they strive to locate the best quality coin for any given date for their collections and they don't settle for less. Just like most veteran collectors for any series. But they won't get their dues unless the grading standards start tightening up! It's a shame that the TGC's can't follow suit! It's all a big mess right now and it's not going to change until these TGC's start taking a different course with grading these coins!

Man! I got myself all wound up in a tissy again!

 

Leo

[Hoot]

Man! I got myself all wound up in a tissy again!

 

Leo

 

You know, I hadn't even read the description! I'm glad that Heritage made the note. They should be ashamed of themselves over their photography.

 

Do you still have BN's #1 60-D? Can you post a pic of it and a close-up of the steps? Should be a nice coin. Horrible issue. The Mint really did a bad job in manufacture.

 

Hoot

[Leothelion]

Man! I got myself all wound up in a tissy again!

 

Leo

 

You know, I hadn't even read the description! I'm glad that Heritage made the note. They should be ashamed of themselves over their photography.

 

Do you still have BN's #1 60-D? Can you post a pic of it and a close-up of the steps? Should be a nice coin. Horrible issue. The Mint really did a bad job in manufacture.

 

Hoot

 

Hoot

Bern's numeral uno 60-D was posted way over in the US Coins forum about a month ago! It's on page 2.....3rd thread down! Now get with it, Hoot!

 

Leo

[Hoot]

Hoot

Bern's numeral uno 60-D was posted way over in the US Coins forum about a month ago! It's on page 2.....3rd thread down! Now get with it, Hoot!

 

Leo

 

I remember that!

 

Hoot

[spy88]

Leo,

 

I spent several hours with Steve yesterday afternoon. He wanted to see some of my Jeffs and I asked to see some of his. He brought with him what was left of the original B.N. sets he bought and although there were only about a dozen left (he slabbed and sold most as you know), they were still very nice!

 

You mention that the TPGs need to start getting tighter...

...unless the grading standards start tightening up! It's a shame that the TGC's can't follow suit! It's all a big mess right now and it's not going to change until these TGC's start taking a different course with grading these coins!

This is exactly what PCGS has been doing for over 6 months now, according to Steve. He says that now, any scratches, small nicks, pock marks, slight bridges, etc., will NOT be given the FS attribute. He showed me numerous Jeffs he had submitted that were clearly FS but that had something very minor on the steps that kept them from FS where previously, there would have been no question. Steve also feels their grading has tightened as he had quite a few that we both agreed had been undergraded by a point.

 

And I can tell you from my own experience, they have really cinched up the belt! But now the problem is I think they've gone overboard with it and it will be very hard for them to settle back a little to accurate grading and step attributing.

 

Also, you missed my thread in the Coins forum (your pickiness rubbing off on me!) about how all the Jeffs at auction with Heritage (a lot have closed since) were in terrible condition for the grade slabbed!

 

P.S. As I understand it from Steve...B.N. didn't buy back the first 60-D. It came in the first set that had a fixed price that Steve agreed to. The second one B.N. had (in the second set?) he wanted way more money then it was worth (as Steve knew it wouldn't slab FS) but they worked a deal because Steve was buying both sets. We covered many topics and many Jeffs so I may have this part of the story wrong.

[Leothelion]

Hi David Yes, Steve asked Bern if he would like to buy the coin back and he did and then sold it to me. I'm very pleased with the coin although it would never FS! By a special request by Hoot, here's the coin and steps again.

 

 

 

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The amazing story behind this coin is the fact that no one else wanted it! And it's all due to the fact that it wouldn't FS! Every collector that had a chance to look at this coin could not see the forest (the strike) for the trees! And that includes all the TGC's! The greatest coin a FS Jefferson nickel collector could ever locate is the coin that excells in all three of the most important criterias of a Jefferson nickel, the strike, the grade and the steps!WHY CAN'T ANYONE ELSE SEE THAT!!! Leo

[Hoot]

That's a superb 60-D. I recall stating on your other post, that this one and your former top piece are both fantastic 60-Ds.

 

Hoot