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A reply to Leo's question about EDS buffalo's

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Wihlborg

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Leo,

 

In your reply to a post by Bruceswar, you asked 'What does an EDS struck Buffalo nickel look like?' Not wanting to hijack Brucewar's thread, I thought I'd start a new post to reply to your question.

 

I would have to say that it would depend upon what date/mint you are talking about. A branch mint buffalo from the twenty’s with a strike that would be average for a 1938d would be considered a great find by a serious buffalo collector. There are some dates in this series that are probably unknown with strikes that equal the best struck examples of a 1938d.

 

In my opinion, you cannot show one example of an EDS coin that would be representative of the series as a whole. Here a few buffalo’s with excellent strikes for their date/mm.

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thebeav

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Hi John,

That 1919 is ridiculous.....I talked to my mom and she agreed to loan me the forty dollars that I can offer you for the coin. PM me for my shipping address.....

Boy, that's some wild stuff !!!

 

Paul

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Bruceswar

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The strike on that 1919 is just great.. The Buffalo is one of the best I have seen... very nice... not to mention the killer color smile.gif... wow those are some nice coins smile.gif:)

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Leothelion

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Great strikes! Great coins! Thanks for posting the pics, everyone! Like every coin, each has it's high points for wear and nicks or they just didn't strike up during the minting process!Here's an interesting Jefferson nickel that shows just how full the cheek can get on an EDS strike. The die polishing lines on this coin show how fresh the dies were when this coin was strucked. The die polishing lines can also be seen on the cheek and coat.

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Hoot,

That's a killer '20-D....What is that vertical line coming up from the buffalos rear end ? I would be surprised to see a die crack on such an EDS....

 

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Wihlborg

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Hoot,

 

That '20D you posted is a very nice coin for the date/mint. It has an excellent strike for a ’20D, especially the reverse, and is a perfect example of an EDS buffalo from the ‘20’s. thumbsup2.gif

 

John

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Leothelion

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Hoot,

 

That '20D you posted is a very nice coin for the date/mint. It has an excellent strike for a ’20D, especially the reverse, and is a perfect example of an EDS buffalo from the ‘20’s. thumbsup2.gif

 

John

 

The US mint must have improved the design sometime between the 1920-D and 1935-D as the latter shows greater detail, especially when comparing the back legs of the buffalo!

Differences in strike charactoristics can be seen in all the Buffalo nickels posted!

Leo

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Wihlborg

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Leo,

 

Some may think I’m biased because I own the coin when I say this, but that ‘35D has the best strike I have personally ever seen for that date. Most examples of ‘35d buffalo’s do not have a strike even close to the strike on this coin. Of course NGC must have thought highly of the coin also as they graded it MS-66*. cloud9.gif To date, NGC has graded only one '35D higher than this coin, as a MS-67.

 

John

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The US mint must have improved the design sometime between the 1920-D and 1935-D as the latter shows greater detail, especially when comparing the back legs of the buffalo!

Differences in strike charactoristics can be seen in all the Buffalo nickels posted!

Leo

 

The back leg of the buffalo is a major point of reference for assessing strike and die state in buffalo nickels. Of course, this can only be properly assessed in person. Also, there was a lot of tinkering with striking pressures from 1917 through 1935. Consequently, you will see a huge variation in strike at all Mints from one year to the next. The only fair comparisons of striking quality for any given date and Mint mark combination are with with the same date/mm. So, as with Jefferson nickels, there are no blanket statements to be made about the series when it comes to the variation of manufacture for any given date/mm combination. You have to know each and every one. Indeed, I think that there are fewer generalities in the buffalo nickel series than there are in the Jefferson nickel series.

 

One other thing... Branch Mint dies were manufactured in Philadelphia and shipped to Denver and SF unhardened. It was up to the branch Mints to harden the die and sink the Mint mark. Both Denver and SF did a notoriously poor job at die hardening, especially from 1918-1927. Thus, most strikes are mushy. Strikes like the '20-D I showed are extremely uncommon. If I had to guess, based only on my observations over the years, I'd say that that '20-D was among the first 5 or 10 nickels struck of that issue. Bear in mind that nickel-copper alloy is very hard. Dies deteriorated quickly. I read somewhere that the average die for buffalo nickels struck 80,000 coins.

 

Hoot

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jom

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Unless I go reread Bruce's thread I have NO idea what EDS means. 893whatthe.gif

 

In any case, if it refers to well struck 20s Buffs then I wouldn't know. I don't own any...lol. I can afford those so I go for the tone and let the strike be crappy. stooges.gif

 

Only elitists like Wihlborg are able to find and pay for full strike toned material. insane.gif

 

jom

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Wihlborg

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Jom,

 

I am shocked, and frankly deeply hurt that you, of all people would call me an elitist. After all, we are friends and send each other PM’s. Everyone knows that an elitist would have nothing to do with you. wink.gif

 

By the way, EDS=early die state.

 

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John

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Leothelion

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Jom,

 

I am shocked, and frankly deeply hurt that you, of all people would call me an elitist. After all, we are friends and send each other PM’s. Everyone knows that an elitist would have nothing to do with you. wink.gif

 

By the way, EDS=early die state.

 

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John

 

I guess we can all be classified as egalitarians, for the exception of Jom of course!

 

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I guess we can all be classified as egalitarians, for the exception of Jom of course!

 

I see. The underlining labor force in this country once again gets ignored! Christo_pull_hair.gif Everyone knows I paint better than everyone else. Look how well I cleaned up Wihlborg's Arkansas for him. yay.gif

 

Everyone knows that an elitist would have nothing to do with you.

 

Untrue! I've served drinks at their parties all the time. I also work the coat check. 893whatthe.gif

 

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Wihlborg

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Quote:

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Everyone knows that an elitist would have nothing to do with you.

 

 

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Untrue! I've served drinks at their parties all the time. I also work the coat check.

 

 

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John

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