check this out, 1945-p mercury dime PL or proof???

[zboyle04]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1945-Mercury-Dime-SOLID-GEM-BU-PROOF-LIKE-BRILLIANT-w-SPLIT-BANDS-/141043523727?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT&nma=true&si=Ta5Wkeue%252BD2Dm7u%252Bymo%252BEx9kfmU%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

 

not sure if this one is a PL or proof, either way is fine with me, pending arrival and if it looks good it will be submitted with my group of raw PL's

[yonico]

looks like a proof to me.

you got a SICK deal on this coin, whatever it comes out to be. good job, and good luck!

[wdrob]

Well there was not a proof made in 1945 according to NGC Coin Explorer and if that is supposed to have split bands then the seller must think that the upper and lower bands are what counts because I do not see any split in the center band at all.

 

And to add to that; the winning bid was $16.00. It was that low for a reason, no one in their right mind would sell a 1945 Split Band Mercury Dime for $160.00 much less $16.00.

 

But I hope I am entirely wrong and you got the deal of a lifetime and purchased a $800.00 + coin for the $16.00.. Good luck.

 

 

[mark]

I guess I disagree with yonice. No proofs were made in 1945 (they stopped in 1942). The coin is not even close to FB. And I am a tad skeptical of the picture. Now, that said, I hope 110% that I am totally wrong!

[zboyle04]

sorry, i didnt check to see if proofs were made in 1945 or not feel kinda dumb, either way if it sucks in hand i will send back

[Coindude]

Looks polished tbh.

[yonico]

Well there was not a proof made in 1945 according to NGC Coin Explorer and if that is supposed to have split bands then the seller must think that the upper and lower bands are what counts because I do not see any split in the center band at all.

 

And to add to that; the winning bid was $16.00. It was that low for a reason, no one in their right mind would sell a 1945 Split Band Mercury Dime for $160.00 much less $16.00.

 

But I hope I am entirely wrong and you got the deal of a lifetime and purchased a $800.00 + coin for the $16.00.. Good luck.

 

 

doh.. my bad. i forgot to check if there were even proofs made in 1945.

 

[coinman_23885]

Looks polished tbh.

+1

[physics-fan3.14]

Neither.

 

This coin looks like a polished, circulated coin. Based solely on the pictures, I'd say you got a coin worth $4.

[MarkFeld]

The coin looks that way, due either to polishing or the imaging/lighting. Some dates in the series can be found with semi-PL or PL surfaces. But to my recollection, 1945 is not one of those dates.

[KeyMan64]

The coin looks that way, due either to polishing or the imaging/lighting. Some dates in the series can be found with semi-PL or PL surfaces. But to my recollection, 1945 is not one of those dates.

I agree! No proof. Not proof like. No full bands. I hope for your sake, it has not been messed with and it is at least Mint State. Good luck.

[physics-fan3.14]

Some dates in the series can be found with semi-PL or PL surfaces. But to my recollection, 1945 is not one of those dates.

 

You are correct. The dates I'm aware of are: 40D, 40S, 41S, 42S, 43S, 44, and 45S (both normal and micro S). By far the most common of these is the 41S. The 42S and 43S are both rare, and the rest are extremely rare (with one or 2 graded for each date)

[zboyle04]

you win some and lose some, i have been doing pretty good lately, the raw war nickel and quarter were excellent, but i am with you guys, probably polished, i dont care at all if FB or non-FB, i did not purchase for that reason, although i do remember 45-p is very rare for FB. this one will probably be sent back. I also got a 63-p roosevelt that is semi PL, i do not think it will make the grade and thus has a shot at a star only, probably not going to send that one.

 

My raw PL submission is almost ready, so far i got:

43-s walker

49-s franklin

2x 1959-p franklin

1969-d kennedy

1957-p quarter

1943-s war nickel

 

looking to add a legit mercury dime, another walker and another washington quarter perhaps

 

[jom]

Looks polished tbh.

 

If it were proof-like I'd expect more die polishing lines....so I'd have to agree on this.

 

jom

[Coindude]

Looks polished tbh.

If it were proof-like I'd expect more die polishing lines....so I'd have to agree on this.

jom

Exactly what Jom says. I should have expanded on my reply but this is a key point with that type of PL coin.

[coinman1794]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1945-Mercury-Dime-SOLID-GEM-BU-PROOF-LIKE-BRILLIANT-w-SPLIT-BANDS-/141043523727?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT&nma=true&si=Ta5Wkeue%252BD2Dm7u%252Bymo%252BEx9kfmU%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

 

not sure if this one is a PL or proof, either way is fine with me, pending arrival and if it looks good it will be submitted with my group of raw PL's

 

It cannot be a Proof because the rims are not raised properly, and because none were minted that year.

 

This coin is clearly polished or otherwise altered. It does not resemble a PL coin for this series.

[michael]

my opinion you bid on an au maybe unc. details 1945 mercury dime

 

 

but i hope i am wrong! and you get a really rare choice proof or strongly prooflike new discovery coin

 

please let me know what comes in the mail and post photos if you can

[coinman1794]

1934-D and 38-D are also two prominent PL Mercury dates.

[physics-fan3.14]

1934-D and 38-D are also two prominent PL Mercury dates.

 

There are no examples certified of these dates. There may be some semi-prooflike examples, but I'm not aware of them.

[coinman_23885]

Looks polished tbh.

If it were proof-like I'd expect more die polishing lines....so I'd have to agree on this.

jom

Exactly what Jom says. I should have expanded on my reply but this is a key point with that type of PL coin.

 

I agree that the coin has likely been polished, but your litmus test involving die polishing lines is not necessarily conclusive. First, there is variation in the amount of die polish lines present from specimen to specimen. Second, imaging techniques including the angle and lighting can make a difference in whether the lines are visible or not. I have included an example below. The first images are Shane's and show the die polish lines. The second set are the Heritage Auction images (links are provided because the files are large and may need to be downloaded to be enlarged). There is a huge difference between the sets of photos, and frankly both sets are accurate of the coin depending on how it is viewed. (In fairness to Heritage, the lines are not really noticeable from a distance and only when the coin is brought much closer can they be seen in hand, and they are less conspicuous - the large images, by virtue of their size, will always emphasize them).

 

1941-S NGC MS67 FB PL CAC

 

 

Links to Heritage Images:

Obverse

Reverse

 

I arrived at the conclusion that the coin had been polished based on how the coin behaves towards light. At least for the specimens that I have viewed in hand, the die polish lines reflect light differently than most polish jobs. I also agree with Coinman1794 that it does not look like other PL Mercury Dimes that I have handled.

 

Edited to add: I also have another specimen (1943-S) that has fewer die polish lines, but was still designated by NGC as a PL (and I feel the designation is accurate). If I can find pictures, I'll post those as well.

[MarkFeld]

my opinion you bid on an au maybe unc. details 1945 mercury dime

 

 

but i hope i am wrong! and you get a really rare choice proof or strongly prooflike new discovery coin

 

please let me know what comes in the mail and post photos if you can

 

Michael, why even mention the possibility of a discovery (proof) coin? You know better than that.

[jom]

Looks polished tbh.

If it were proof-like I'd expect more die polishing lines....so I'd have to agree on this.

jom

Exactly what Jom says. I should have expanded on my reply but this is a key point with that type of PL coin.

 

I agree that the coin has likely been polished, but your litmus test involving die polishing lines is not necessarily conclusive.

 

Absolutely! I can add also that even if the OP photo did show "die polishing" those could very well been hairlines for all I know. The bottom line it was a wild- guess based on the crappy eBay photo....

 

jom

[BillJones]

Sorry, but you got caught up in an illusion.

 

The coin looks to have been polished, and it is a WAY below average strike for a coin that is seldom perfectly struck. The seller either does not know what split bands are on Mercury dime, or he is an "overly optimistic cataloger." That's PC for, "If you convince someone that this piece has split bands, you are either a scammer, or you don't know much about Mercury dimes.

[Mark T]

Even for $16 I am surprised you actually bought this polished thing.

On Second thought its only $16 - no really why did you buy this !

Did you check out the other items this seller has sold - I looked at a few - they are all polished - whizzed .

[zboyle04]

Even for $16 I am surprised you actually bought this polished thing.

On Second thought its only $16 - no really why did you buy this !

Did you check out the other items this seller has sold - I looked at a few - they are all polished - whizzed .

 

yeah wasnt paying that much attention i suppose, i will most likekly be sending this one back. i was really hoping to find a raw PL mercury dime to add to my group, kinda hard to find right now

[jom]

Even for $16 I am surprised you actually bought this polished thing.

On Second thought its only $16 - no really why did you buy this !

Did you check out the other items this seller has sold - I looked at a few - they are all polished - whizzed .

 

yeah wasnt paying that much attention i suppose, i will most likekly be sending this one back. i was really hoping to find a raw PL mercury dime to add to my group, kinda hard to find right now

 

Try sticking to certified pieces...specifically NGC (I don't know if PCGS does PLs). Also, you can always ask PhysicsFan for help as he collects PL coins.

 

jom

[coinman_23885]

Try sticking to certified pieces...specifically NGC (I don't know if PCGS does PLs). Also, you can always ask PhysicsFan for help as he collects PL coins.

 

jom

 

PCGS will designate Morgan Dollars, certain modern gold bullion, and the 5oz statehood coins. They do not designate other U.S. coins. NGC will designate all regular U.S. coins deserving of the designation.

 

In terms of advice, try examining several proof like pieces at a coin show or purchase a few. After you have examined and studied a few, you will have a better idea of what to look for. Unfortunately, there are no books that I am aware of that specifically address this subject matter. I am also unaware of any price guides. Pricing comes from experience and comparison to similar PL coins in terms of rarity/scarcity, grade, the depth of the mirrors, and other factors.

[messydesk]

Prepare to be very disappointed with this coin. Highly polished and poorly struck, even for a 1945.

[Coindude]

The fact is, at worst this mistake only cost you $16. If my mistakes only cost $16 I would be stoked!

[jpcienkus]

Even for $16 I am surprised you actually bought this polished thing.

On Second thought its only $16 - no really why did you buy this !

Did you check out the other items this seller has sold - I looked at a few - they are all polished - whizzed .

 

yeah wasnt paying that much attention i suppose, i will most likekly be sending this one back. i was really hoping to find a raw PL mercury dime to add to my group, kinda hard to find right now

 

You can always buy one in a TPG holder, than crack it out to add to your collection. Might be a safer route to go.