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Calling all Jeff collectors---grade guess! Large pics!

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Mark, Leo, John, and anybody else that thinks they can grade Jeffs, here's one for you. Some of you may recognize it, but not since its been graded from across the street (and those are the standards to use). Mark, you already know the "story" so a guess from you based solely on the technical merits of what you see would be nice.


I'll give this thread thru the weekend for guesses before I give the "interesting" follow-up.


These pics have not been touched up at all by any software. Straight from the camera.





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Hi DavidI've highlighted all the potential problems the coin may have. I see a few small nicks and pinhead carbon spots. Also a couple of suspicious vertical lines in the hair. The very top of Jeffersons head may be weakly strucked. On the reverse side I can see all kinds of stuff going on there. The upper right field looks more like die polishing then remanents from a fingerprint! The top of the dome and the triangle show some problems as well. All of these problems point to a MS63FS or less coin. The coin looks like it may have been cleaned at one time as well. But my main concern besides the carbon spots lies in the long circled area on the obverse of Jefferson's hair. This is possibly a result from the lask of metal flow to that area and it's exactly opposite of that step area on the reverse. I have saved a couple of coins simular with this type of problem for reference.As for what any grading service would render for this coin is up for grabs. I'm assuming this coin is the original ICG MS66FS/PCGS MS62FS coin you won through Heritage. If you think that you have lost money on this transaction/coin then you may need to go back to ICG or Heritage if they stand behind the coins they grade or sell.

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Isn't that the rare error where the heads side was stamped on the reverse and the tails side was stamped on the obverse with a 720 degree rotated die? Probably grades a good XF but it appears there is something wrong with the lettering on the reverse tho so you may want to consider getting a refund as it may net grage down to Good...



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Hi everyone! Thanks for all the "gradestimates" and really appreciate all the positive thinkers out there!


However, here's the story. This coin was from a Heritage auction. There was no listing info from them concerning the DDR nor was it on the ICG slab. It looked as if it might make FS so I took the chance and bid/won it.


After receiving it, I contacted Ray Overby for his opinion as I thought it might cross to a 65FS thus an up-grade for his reg set. I sent it to him and he agreed. It did have some carbon spots so Ray dipped it before submitting.


This is what it came back as:



Ray was not at all happy with this, so he sent it back for a presidential review. This time, it came back---



---along with this letter from DH.



Since the "high point rub" is as struck, we were both exasperated with this result, so we decided to forego further submitting, as we both felt it would do no good. Ray gave me a suggestion for giving it some tone, and that is what I'm doing with it now. Should it develop some color, it will be re-submitted.


Of course, we were both happy to see the FS given, cloud9.gif but neither of us could understand the PR from DH. He does not know how to grade Jeffs, and to suggest it be AU is rediculous!!!!!! 893censored-thumb.gif


Leo, thank you for your critique and is accurate considering the detail of my pics. However, many of the circled areas showing "issues" were either a trick of my lighting or invisible without a loupe. Example: There are no fingerprints on the upper right reverse. It's a polished area from strike as is the forehead and dome. And the only obv nick is to the upper jaw, the collar is extremely clean, and the only rev hit that could be seen without a loupe is in the field under the "S" of PLURIBUS. Ray showed this coin to many dealers for their "take" on grade and FS desig before submission, and it was unanimous for FS and probably MS65, certainly no lower then 64. I have Jeffs from PCGS and NGC in MS66 that have more marks and softer strike! Here's a better pic of the reverse.



The only carbon spot is centered between pillars 2 and 3. All other marks, are just that---marks, under 10X.


Everyone that guessed MS65FS or better, thumbsup2.gif893applaud-thumb.gifcloud9.gif. Maybe some day, but not yet.



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