1900-O/O/CC VAM-8B....with extra die clashes ??

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1st off im not a collector so my knowledge is limited. Now that thats out there lets move on to the coin. i used vamworld.com to i.d. this as a 1900 O/O/CC VAM 8B. The site points out 3 die clashes that make it a 8B and not the 8 or 8A and they are located in front of the neck, at the base of the hair and next to the cap. My coin has all those but i have also found other clashes (or at least i think so) below the nose, in the lips and on the chin as well as another nect to the cap but higher then the noted one for the vam 8B . i pointed them out the best i could in the photos. are these die clashes? and if so would this be a vam 8B still? or would these make it a new vam 8C? Like i said im not a collector so i dont know how these things work....

in the 1st photo i marked the clashes with red arrows and die cracks with black. thanks for your input.

[RWB]

Nice photos!

[messydesk]

Cool coin! The only clashes that "count" toward a new VAM listing are where letters are transferred from one side to the other. The 'n' in front of the neck and 'st' behind the hair are the characteristics of VAM 8B. Other clashes are neat, but don't count for a VAM listing, although sometime Leroy Van Allen will list a coin with a particularly strong counter-clash. They are, in fact, present on the VAM 8B coins shown on VAMWorld.

 

There are a few clashed Morgan dollar VAMs that come with varying number of die clashes, and these are sometimes sought by specialists who want to collect all die stages of a specific VAM, even though they don't have a separate VAM numbers. The best example of this is the 1886-O VAM 1A, which has a clashed E under the tail feathers. One of the most commonly clashed design elements is the cinched part of Liberty's cap. This looks like a sideways volcano inside the upper right wreath on the reverse. The 1886-O VAM 1A is found in three die stages, with 1, 2, and 7 slightly unregistered volcano clashes. One is more common than the others, but I can't remember which (maybe 7 clashes). This, however, starts getting into esoteric niches within VAM collecting.

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thanks, took me foreverrrr

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messydesk, thanks for all the input. it was very helpful. anyone got a ballpark value for this coin? i took it to a deal and they offered me $60. i have a thread in another section on that issue. i just dont want to get screwed when i sale it

[messydesk]

Did the dealer offer $60 knowing it was an O/CC? If so, it would appear he was trying to rip you off in a big way. From the pictures, the coin looks like it's probably MS62-63 and doesn't look cleaned. (Insert standard disclaimer about grading from pictures here.) Retail at this grade for a 1900-O/CC is $500-700. If selling, I'd have this coin graded and probably never visit that dealer again. The only O/CC VAMs that go for decent premiums are VAMs 7, 7A, and 9.

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yes i pointed out that it was an o/cc and he replied with its common and doesnt add much value unless in ms66 or better. and yes i am selling this coin and the rest of my fathers collection that was left to me

[Kenneth F]

yes i pointed out that it was an o/cc and he replied with its common and doesnt add much value unless in ms66 or better. and yes i am selling this coin and the rest of my fathers collection that was left to me

 

Oh, he is full of it... he wants this coin from you! What a jag!

[Kenneth F]

Did the dealer offer $60 knowing it was an O/CC? If so, it would appear he was trying to rip you off in a big way. From the pictures, the coin looks like it's probably MS62-63 and doesn't look cleaned. (Insert standard disclaimer about grading from pictures here.) Retail at this grade for a 1900-O/CC is $500-700. If selling, I'd have this coin graded and probably never visit that dealer again. The only O/CC VAMs that go for decent premiums are VAMs 7, 7A, and 9.

 

Sure doesnt.. has beautiful luster.. especially on the reverse! This is a sweet gal!

[Kenneth F]

yes i pointed out that it was an o/cc and he replied with its common and doesnt add much value unless in ms66 or better. and yes i am selling this coin and the rest of my fathers collection that was left to me

 

Why sell.. continue his legacy!

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coins have never been my thing and to be honest just going through his has already been taking up to much of my time

[Kenneth F]

Wow... ok. So, what are you selling.. post it in the Money Marketplace.

[jpcienkus]

Wow... ok. So, what are you selling.. post it in the Money Marketplace.

 

+1

 

there are many interested buyers on this site and you will be able to save yourself a lot of headaches if you sell them here.

[Kenneth F]

Wow... ok. So, what are you selling.. post it in the Money Marketplace.

 

+1

 

there are many interested buyers on this site and you will be able to save yourself a lot of headaches if you sell them here.

 

And they wont scam you... like the dealer mentioned in this thread.

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update- i just got back from taking it to 2 dealers in the next town over (kansas city). the 1st graded it ms64 and the 2nd said it was a toss between ms63 and ms64. I dont know how to do the whole market place on here but ill sit down tonight and see if i cant get it figured out. but as a rough idea for you guys, i have around 2,000 coins left to sale. roughly 80+ morgans, about 100-120 peace dollars, some walking libertys, stone mountains, barbers, franklins, a few trade dollars and seated liberty dollars. the rest are quarters, dimes nickels and cents. so it will take me awhile to get it all up and listed.

[messydesk]

... yes i am selling this coin and the rest of my fathers collection that was left to me

Do not take any of it to the dealer that lowballed you on the O/CC.

 

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... yes i am selling this coin and the rest of my fathers collection that was left to me

Do not take any of it to the dealer that lowballed you on the O/CC.

yeah i see that now. wish i had looked into the other coins before i sold to him. im sure he got me for a few hundred at least. oh well, karma will come around on him some day.....hopefully

[morganguru]

I'm not seeing 64. The reverse is that of a 4, the obverse possess to much chatter on the cheek. IMO it's a 3 at best overall.

 

 

What I feel is a 63, JMO, some will differ, some will agree.

 

What I feel is a 64, JMO, some will differ, some will agree.

[mtnstyne]

update- i just got back from taking it to 2 dealers in the next town over (kansas city). the 1st graded it ms64 and the 2nd said it was a toss between ms63 and ms64. I dont know how to do the whole market place on here but ill sit down tonight and see if i cant get it figured out. but as a rough idea for you guys, i have around 2,000 coins left to sale. roughly 80+ morgans, about 100-120 peace dollars, some walking libertys, stone mountains, barbers, franklins, a few trade dollars and seated liberty dollars. the rest are quarters, dimes nickels and cents. so it will take me awhile to get it all up and listed.

 

Did they make you an offer?

[morganguru]

Why not sell of the lesser quality stuff, keep the rest and start a new hobby?

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yes they made an offer, both were right around 400. and morganguru, i run my own business while finishing school, have a 4 year old son and a wife that works 9pm to 9am 6 days a week. I really dont have time for a new hobby. just the time i have put into these so far has had me stressed. i plan to pick out a handful of coins to leave to my son and just pass the rest to someone who will have the time to enjoy them as much as they should be

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right now im trying to i.d. a 1886 no mint mark that i believe is a vam as well. it has a very clearly doubled 1 in the date for sure. should i start a new thread for that coin? or just post the photos here?

[messydesk]

There are a few 1886 with strong doubling on the date. The one that's worth big bucks is VAM 20. The others aren't rare.

[coinman1794]

update- i just got back from taking it to 2 dealers in the next town over (kansas city). the 1st graded it ms64 and the 2nd said it was a toss between ms63 and ms64. I dont know how to do the whole market place on here but ill sit down tonight and see if i cant get it figured out. but as a rough idea for you guys, i have around 2,000 coins left to sale. roughly 80+ morgans, about 100-120 peace dollars, some walking libertys, stone mountains, barbers, franklins, a few trade dollars and seated liberty dollars. the rest are quarters, dimes nickels and cents. so it will take me awhile to get it all up and listed.

 

Borderline MS63-MS64 is correct.

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There are a few 1886 with strong doubling on the date. The one that's worth big bucks is VAM 20. The others aren't rare.

yeah thats not the one im looking at. mine has the 1 doubled on top ill see if i cant snag a quick photo before bed without it taking to long. so fair warning it wont be as good as the other photos

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thats the best i have time for tonight. ill see about getting better ones tomorrow. thanks again for all the help. you guys are awesome! goodnight everyone

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1 last thought, is there any way to bring this grade up? can a coin be restored? i only ask because if its a toss between 63 and 64 then it wont take much to get it to a 65 (if such a thing is possible) and theres a decent price jump there

[messydesk]

The 1886 is a VAM 4. Not terribly rare. Also, there's generally no way to restore a coin for the purpose of raising its grade. You're much more likely to cause irreparable harm that would significantly lower the grade. There are restoration services offered by the grading services, but this is for stuff like removal of spots, stains, and ugly toning. Your 1900-O/CC has none of those.