Newp! Controversial Neon Monster Bust Half!

[FishyOne]

It looks very nice but I haven't seen it in-hand. I agree that the coin should be imaged to reflect the true toning as closely as possible. I'm not one to spend money on imaging services but it sure sounds as if this one deserves it.

 

Congrats!

[Mozin]

Hey, if you like it for $3800, and you can afford it, more power to you.

[MJ]

It won't appeal to CBH specialists

It won't appeal to CBH die marriage collectors

It won't appeal to non toner collectors

It won't appeal to the old school toned collectors

 

It does appeal to slab collectors (gold CAC)

It does appeal to most toning enthusiasts

 

There will be a very small audience for this coin in the future at this price level but the few tend to be a passionate lot

 

All is good. Mozin you are a good sport

 

MJ

 

[gobust-migration]

There is certainly a group of collectors who are crazy for color. I saw another very flashy, very colorful coin (1830) in an OGH PCGS AU58 holder sell for $5000. So clearly, a strong but perhaps more narrow market exists for such unusual colorful early capped half dollars.

 

Unlike there later counterparts, color is much less common on Bust halves, and color deemed to be natural or album toning even more so. PCGS has been less forgiving to color than NGC, but I think its very difficult to know where color comes from most of the time. Sounds like most of us agree that a lovely coin to the beholder, especially one like this that was obviously admired by many, is a great coin to add to a crazy for color person's set.

 

I think collecting bust halves with color has become much more popular these last several years. This can increase the bidding wars for true standouts and it appears this coin falls within that category. Congratulations to the new successful owner!

[e1cnr]

It surely will always appeal to type collectors of outstanding eye appeal.

 

 

[EVillageProwler]

Mumu: the reason I didn't buy it then was because I was unsure of the color being natural. Obviously I was wrong.

 

I will have Todd take a shot (photo humor) at Baltimore maybe.

 

OK, I know CAC is a big deal to you so it made me wonder if it made that big of a deal in price. In a sense I guess you can say it did since CACs approval of the color in the end made you buy it.

 

Mumu - I'm mystified at your hostility. What's the problem?

 

I dont feel that's hostile. I am simply saying that rather than purely buying the sticker, he used CACs approval of the color as the deciding factor. Point being there are people who buy just because of the sticker, Ankur not being one of those people. I am mystified that everything I say is deemed hostile. Maybe I should just be hostile all the time from now on. No sense being accused for no reason.

 

Hi Mumu,

 

I don't know you at all, and I'm absolutely not saying you're a bad guy. But, when I read your comments in this thread, it seemed to me that you're saying that Ankur has an over-dependence on labels and stickers.

 

Actually, I've read a few comments by you, in other threads, where you ask a seemingly innocent question that seems to have a subtle negative innuendo. (Don't ask me to provide evidence, since I don't take notes of your comments; I'm not stalking you!)

 

Anyway, I don't want to derail this thread by making about Mumu. I repeat: I'm not saying I know Mumu well enough to comment on him. And, I also agree with those that CBH toners are a niche segment.

 

EVP

[mumu]

I dont think that it is any secret that Ankur is a big fan of the CAC. And I didnt flat out ask if the only reason he bought it was the CAC sticker. I asked generically what was his reason for liking it now. His answer was that CAC green lit the toning that had previously worrying him. Dependant is a word I did not use but in the end the CAC opinion helped him decide. So I dont see how the question is in any way hostile. He coul dhave said Mark Feld's approval of the coin was his reason and it woult in my opinion be the same answer.

[AnkurJ]

Mumu, I didn't feel your question was hostile. I can understand why you'd ask

[comicdonna]

Congratulations Ankur!

[comicdonna]

 

I dont feel that's hostile. I am simply saying that rather than purely buying the sticker, he used CACs approval of the color as the deciding factor. Point being there are people who buy just because of the sticker, Ankur not being one of those people. I am mystified that everything I say is deemed hostile. Maybe I should just be hostile all the time from now on. No sense being accused for no reason.

I think your internet tone "sounds" hostile at times. With that said, I have met board members that came off that way on the internet, and were just the opposite in person. I would sugest posting an occasional greamlin to show the true mood of your post. (thumbs u

 

[mumu]

Well I've tracked Ankurs collection going back 3-4 years now. I know he has a monster type set going. The question regarding this one given he had 2 other shots at it at 1/4 and 1/3 current price was obvious and potentially educational for someone as well. I stated it was an obvious one because it is clearly a situation where you have to ask.

[delta]

The explicit imprimatur of Mark Feld plus various other experienced experts who have examined this exotic piece has imparted extra cash value to it, enhancing the little history it has already acquired.

 

But I'd be seriously concerned about its stability.

 

I'd worry about it possibly losing some of its exceptional reflective coloration due to environmental effects, because whatever affects coin surfaces could potentially ruin the beauty and value of this coin, with the danger maybe coming from extremes of temperature, light, humidity, atmospheric pollutants, airport x-rays, or combinations of exposure to those and other factors.

[SkyMan]

Amazing CBH!

[BLive1972]

I just saw it and it's SUPER nice in hand!!

[AnkurJ]

The explicit imprimatur of Mark Feld plus various other experienced experts who have examined this exotic piece has imparted extra cash value to it, enhancing the little history it has already acquired.

 

But I'd be seriously concerned about its stability.

 

I'd worry about it possibly losing some of its exceptional reflective coloration due to environmental effects, because whatever affects coin surfaces could potentially ruin the beauty and value of this coin, with the danger maybe coming from extremes of temperature, light, humidity, atmospheric pollutants, airport x-rays, or combinations of exposure to those and other factors.

 

Its being stored in an intercept shield double holder box with desicants close by. I think it will be fine, at least for my lifetime

[MJ]

Plus you could always give it some meds if it starts feeling too blue. MJ

[delta]

Sounds like a good plan, but what about when you take it out of the box for show 'n tell?

 

At least it's good to know you're not leaving it out on the window sill over the kitchen sink next to the leaking plastic bottles of detergent and stained washcloths where the cat always sits with her ineffective flea collar, even though she usually doesn't paw things into the grimy washwater.

 

The explicit imprimatur of Mark Feld plus various other experienced experts who have examined this exotic piece has imparted extra cash value to it, enhancing the little history it has already acquired.

 

But I'd be seriously concerned about its stability.

 

I'd worry about it possibly losing some of its exceptional reflective coloration due to environmental effects, because whatever affects coin surfaces could potentially ruin the beauty and value of this coin, with the danger maybe coming from extremes of temperature, light, humidity, atmospheric pollutants, airport x-rays, or combinations of exposure to those and other factors.

 

Its being stored in an intercept shield double holder box with desicants close by. I think it will be fine, at least for my lifetime

 

[EVillageProwler]

If the colors start to fade, just call gmarguli. He'll know what to do.

 

[newprepper]

Store it in a box of "lucky charms"

[johnny9434]

i hope he can get a better pick ankur. in the mean time nice pick up

[Hard Times]

Sounds like a good plan, but what about when you take it out of the box for show 'n tell?

 

At least it's good to know you're not leaving it out on the window sill over the kitchen sink next to the leaking plastic bottles of detergent and stained washcloths where the cat always sits with her ineffective flea collar, even though she usually doesn't paw things into the grimy washwater.

 

The explicit imprimatur of Mark Feld plus various other experienced experts who have examined this exotic piece has imparted extra cash value to it, enhancing the little history it has already acquired.

 

But I'd be seriously concerned about its stability.

 

I'd worry about it possibly losing some of its exceptional reflective coloration due to environmental effects, because whatever affects coin surfaces could potentially ruin the beauty and value of this coin, with the danger maybe coming from extremes of temperature, light, humidity, atmospheric pollutants, airport x-rays, or combinations of exposure to those and other factors.

 

Its being stored in an intercept shield double holder box with desicants close by. I think it will be fine, at least for my lifetime

 

It is in a fairly airtight pcgs old green holder and very likely been stable for decades, It takes very unusual circumstances to move enough air/water through those holders to change the coin. I don't think ankur has anything to worry about if stored properly.

 

Best, HT

[gmarguli]

If the colors start to fade, just call gmarguli. He'll know what to do.

 

 

 

That's just wrong. Not any more wrong than the mindset of 2/3 of the posts in this thread, but still wrong.

[jom]

Mumu: the reason I didn't buy it then was because I was unsure of the color being natural. Obviously I was wrong.

 

Really? I would have never have guessed that. Hmmm....

 

Even not seeing it in hand there is no way I'd think that color wasn't natural. Whether it's worth the price paid or even it's grade is another matter but the color. It is 100% NT to me....

 

Knowing you a little bit your earlier reaction is very surprising to me....

 

jom

[coinman_23885]

Mumu: the reason I didn't buy it then was because I was unsure of the color being natural. Obviously I was wrong.

 

Really? I would have never have guessed that. Hmmm....

 

Even not seeing it in hand there is no way I'd think that color wasn't natural. Whether it's worth the price paid or even it's grade is another matter but the color. It is 100% NT to me....

 

Knowing you a little bit your earlier reaction is very surprising to me....

 

jom

 

I agree with Jom here. If the photographs are accurate, I would have never guessed AT.

[AnkurJ]

Mumu: the reason I didn't buy it then was because I was unsure of the color being natural. Obviously I was wrong.

 

Really? I would have never have guessed that. Hmmm....

 

Even not seeing it in hand there is no way I'd think that color wasn't natural. Whether it's worth the price paid or even it's grade is another matter but the color. It is 100% NT to me....

 

Knowing you a little bit your earlier reaction is very surprising to me....

 

jom

 

It was in 2008. I had only been collecting for two years.

[gmarguli]

Mumu: the reason I didn't buy it then was because I was unsure of the color being natural. Obviously I was wrong.

 

Really? I would have never have guessed that. Hmmm....

 

Even not seeing it in hand there is no way I'd think that color wasn't natural. Whether it's worth the price paid or even it's grade is another matter but the color. It is 100% NT to me....

 

Knowing you a little bit your earlier reaction is very surprising to me....

 

jom

 

I agree with Jom here. If the photographs are accurate, I would have never guessed AT.

 

Some people seek knowledge. Some people seek stickers in place of knowledge.

[comicdonna]

Wow, tough crowd.

[gmarguli]

Wow, tough crowd.

 

I'd say that the single biggest loss of knowledge in this hobby happened in the last 20 years. Collectors stopped learning and instead decided to let others do the thinking for them. It may be harsh to say it to people, but it doesn't make it any less true.

 

What percent of collectors can accurately grade? I'm not talking about being able to split hairs between 67 and 68, but just between VF & XF or XF & AU.

 

What percent of collectors can consistently detect problems like cleaning or PVC?

 

What percent of collectors can tell a coin is likely/not likely AT based on their experience with seeing other examples?

 

This hobby is filled with clueless collectors and many clueless dealers. People who have decided that the TPG and now Stickerers can do the job for them and they will just buy what looks pretty. Few people try to learn anything anymore and then when something that should be well known gets pointed out to them they are shocked.

[AnkurJ]

 

Some people seek knowledge. Some people seek stickers in place of knowledge.

 

I can live with that.

[jerseycat10]

 

Some people seek knowledge. Some people seek stickers in place of knowledge.

 

I can live with that.

 

Well, at least you are honest.