NEWPS. Nice toners and goodies.

[RockMyAmadeus]

I already said that I am not also Ronin85139 and I have no idea who they are but the ebay ID rings a bell. I think I bought from him last year.

 

Interesting. Did you know that both you and they left the exact same feedback for the exact same seller:

 

seller does not have paypal acct, no responses to emails, had to cancel payment

Buyer: Member id ronin85139 ( Feedback Score Of 509) Jun-09-11 20:44

250 Unsearched Pennies! Flying Eagles and Indian Heads! (#180676075804) US $45.12

 

 

seller does not have paypal acct, no responses to emails, had to cancel payment

Buyer: Member id drscoins_currency ( Feedback Score Of 456) Jun-09-11 19:28

250 Unsearched Pennies! IH and FE Have Been Found!! (#180676638302) US $38.50

 

...within an hour and a half, saying precisely the same thing, buying exactly the same thing...?

 

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=true_unsearched&ftab=AllFeedback&rt=nc

 

 

That's an interesting coincidence.

 

Also, in regards to the "hothead" comment, I am really not going to respond to that because

1- its not your concern

 

It absolutely is my concern, as it is every person who posts here. If you choose to make something public on these boards, then you accept what comes with it, which includes criticism if you are out of line. This may surprise you, but this community has a habit of looking out for each other. When someone violates eBay policy, and then tries to pretend it doesn't matter, it throws up a red flag and is cause for closer examination.

 

There have been a lot of people who have ingratiated themselves into this community, only to rip it off, sometimes to the tune of thousands of dollars.

 

Everyone is subject to the same scrutiny...you, me, Mark Feld, RWB. Nobody gets a free pass, and whatever reputation anyone has around here is generally well earned.

 

2- I am really not a hot head.

 

But....you said you had a temper....

 

 

I just didn't appricate what you (or what whoever brought up that old FB) said. That issues was dealt with through ebay. In regards to what I said in the feedback, the buyer was 10X the jerk in his messages than I was, I was frustrated with his inability to comprimise or anything. BTW just to put this out there, I offered to refund him for HALF of the final cost. He was very unreasonable and yea, at the time, I didn't care what I put in the FB and it has been burried and long forgotten.

 

One more time...and this is the third time you've been told this...it does not matter the circumstances why you left feedback that violates eBay policy. The fact is, you violated eBay policy, and you are in a continual state of violation until said feedback is removed. It is not "burried and long forgotten."

 

The main reason I "doubled down" was because most of you didn't take into account that I said that I messaged him, and if he is willing to accept the return of help me with the issue/confusion, I will leave him 100% five star pos. FB.

Everyone over-reacted to the leaving neg. FB remarks, which I said will only happen if he is a total jerk and refuses to help at all with the issue. IMHO, I would most likely just leave neutral FB because, he shipped the coins promptly, the coins are as described in respects to the TPG and the grades and the are worth what I spent.

 

And yet you said, without qualification, that if you'd paid over $25, you would have left negative feedback. Do you not remember what you said...?

 

Just to rap this up and to answer Jom and a few others: I will probably return the coins but I want to wait for the seller to reply before anything. He already printed the label and I don't know if he can get the Shipping fees back.

 

-Dave

 

The seller has 48 hours after the label is printed to cancel it and get his money back. This has now gone on for 24 hours. You could have asked the seller to cancel the auction last night. They still have the opportunity to cancel it now, if you tell them.

 

Are you going to pay their listing fees?

[CoinPulsive PCM]

I already said that I am not also Ronin85139 and I have no idea who they are but the ebay ID rings a bell. I think I bought from him last year.

 

Interesting. Did you know that both you and they left the exact same feedback for the exact same seller:

 

seller does not have paypal acct, no responses to emails, had to cancel payment

Buyer: Member id ronin85139 ( Feedback Score Of 509) Jun-09-11 20:44

250 Unsearched Pennies! Flying Eagles and Indian Heads! (#180676075804) US $45.12

 

 

seller does not have paypal acct, no responses to emails, had to cancel payment

Buyer: Member id drscoins_currency ( Feedback Score Of 456) Jun-09-11 19:28

250 Unsearched Pennies! IH and FE Have Been Found!! (#180676638302) US $38.50

 

...within an hour and a half, saying precisely the same thing, buying exactly the same thing...?

 

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=true_unsearched&ftab=AllFeedback&rt=nc

 

 

That's an interesting coincidence.

 

Also, in regards to the "hothead" comment, I am really not going to respond to that because

1- its not your concern

 

It absolutely is my concern, as it is every person who posts here. If you choose to make something public on these boards, then you accept what comes with it, which includes criticism if you are out of line. This may surprise you, but this community has a habit of looking out for each other. When someone violates eBay policy, and then tries to pretend it doesn't matter, it throws up a red flag and is cause for closer examination.

 

There have been a lot of people who have ingratiated themselves into this community, only to rip it off, sometimes to the tune of thousands of dollars.

 

Everyone is subject to the same scrutiny...you, me, Mark Feld, RWB. Nobody gets a free pass, and whatever reputation anyone has around here is generally well earned.

 

2- I am really not a hot head.

 

But....you said you had a temper....

 

 

I just didn't appricate what you (or what whoever brought up that old FB) said. That issues was dealt with through ebay. In regards to what I said in the feedback, the buyer was 10X the jerk in his messages than I was, I was frustrated with his inability to comprimise or anything. BTW just to put this out there, I offered to refund him for HALF of the final cost. He was very unreasonable and yea, at the time, I didn't care what I put in the FB and it has been burried and long forgotten.

 

One more time...and this is the third time you've been told this...it does not matter the circumstances why you left feedback that violates eBay policy. The fact is, you violated eBay policy, and you are in a continual state of violation until said feedback is removed. It is not "burried and long forgotten."

 

The main reason I "doubled down" was because most of you didn't take into account that I said that I messaged him, and if he is willing to accept the return of help me with the issue/confusion, I will leave him 100% five star pos. FB.

Everyone over-reacted to the leaving neg. FB remarks, which I said will only happen if he is a total jerk and refuses to help at all with the issue. IMHO, I would most likely just leave neutral FB because, he shipped the coins promptly, the coins are as described in respects to the TPG and the grades and the are worth what I spent.

 

And yet you said, without qualification, that if you'd paid over $25, you would have left negative feedback. Do you not remember what you said...?

 

Just to rap this up and to answer Jom and a few others: I will probably return the coins but I want to wait for the seller to reply before anything. He already printed the label and I don't know if he can get the Shipping fees back.

 

-Dave

 

The seller has 48 hours after the label is printed to cancel it and get his money back. This has now gone on for 24 hours. You could have asked the seller to cancel the auction last night. They still have the opportunity to cancel it now, if you tell them.

 

Are you going to pay their listing fees?

 

No, I am not the same eBayer. Feel free to message me. He left his FB after I did, maybe we both had the same issue with the seller? Well, we did.

 

And NO it is NOT your concern. I don't care about your personal life and what not, nor should you care about mine. Also, who are you to judge me OVER THE INTERNET?!

 

Also, I get that, I violated Ebays oh so sacred stupid policy. OVER SIX MONTHS AGO. ONE TIME, SIX MONTHS AGO. What? Like YOU have never said something that was "inappropriate"? I will say this ONE MORE TIME, I don't care about your "Feelings" on this issue. Who are you to tell me what to do?? And obviously you are more of a policy Nazi that eBay seeing as I have YET to hear from ebay regarding the issue.

 

Yes, I remember saying the $25.00 comment. IN WHICH I incorporated that if the seller is a jerk part or is completely unreasonable, that will "seal the deal."

 

 

hmm well I guess YOU did not read where I said I MESSAGED HIM ON SATURDAY THE 21st. the sellerr printed the label on the 20th. He HAS YET TO REPLY SO THAT ISSUE IS OUT OF MY HANDS UNTIL HE READS THE MESSAGE.

 

Obviously, you are so damn caught up in a personal attack on my character, that you don't know what you are really talking about. I can't cancel anything, the seller has to, I DID my part and I am WAITING on the SELLER.

[RockMyAmadeus]

No, I am not the same eBayer. Feel free to message me. He left his FB after I did, maybe we both had the same issue with the seller? Well, we did.

 

And NO it is NOT your concern. I don't care about your personal life and what not, nor should you care about mine. Also, who are you to judge me OVER THE INTERNET?!

 

If you walked into a coin club meeting and behaved the way you behave around here, you would have been escorted out and asked not to come back until you could learn how to control yourself. The forum in which you misbehave has no bearing on your misbehavior.

 

When you keep having these types of confrontations on the boards, you make it the board's concern. If you don't want it to be the board's concern, do not have these confrontations. Problem solved. I don't share my personal issues with the board, nor do many else, but when we do, it's with the understanding that anyone may respond, and say things we may not agree with.

 

I don't care about your personal life. I care only about how you behave here.

 

Also, I get that, I violated Ebays oh so sacred stupid policy. OVER SIX MONTHS AGO. ONE TIME, SIX MONTHS AGO.

 

Since the feedback still stands, you are still in violation of eBay's policy, whether it happened 4 minutes or 4 years ago. People who say things like "oh so sacred stupid policy" usually do it because they think they're better than everyone else, and the rules don't apply to them.

 

What? Like YOU have never said something that was "inappropriate"?

 

No. Once eBay instituted that rule, I have not left "non-positive" feedback for any buyer. I follow the rules, because I am not better than everyone else.

 

I will say this ONE MORE TIME, I don't care about your "Feelings" on this issue. Who are you to tell me what to do?? And obviously you are more of a policy Nazi that eBay seeing as I have YET to hear from ebay regarding the issue.

 

I have yet to share my "feelings" on this issue, so I'm not quite sure what you're talking about here.

 

As far as "telling you what to do"...since I also have not told you to do anything, I'm not sure what you're talking about there, either.

 

But you haven't heard from eBay because the buyer hasn't bothered. Nothing more than that. eBay cannot monitor the millions of feedback that is left every day.

 

Yes, I remember saying the $25.00 comment. IN WHICH I incorporated that if the seller is a jerk part or is completely unreasonable, that will "seal the deal."

 

That's not what you said. That's what you're saying now, but that's not what you said then...it's hard to spin what you said when it's right there in black and white.

 

hmm well I guess YOU did not read where I said I MESSAGED HIM ON SATURDAY THE 21st. the sellerr printed the label on the 20th. He HAS YET TO REPLY SO THAT ISSUE IS OUT OF MY HANDS UNTIL HE READS THE MESSAGE.

 

You DON'T NEED TO TYPE IN ALL CAPS. I can read what you write just fine without the yelling.

 

Obviously, you are so damn caught up in a personal attack on my character,

 

No, I want to know if you're a con artist. Your behavior, and disdain for eBay's rules, are red flags not in your favor. You could just be a hothead who can't control his temper. Or, you could be a con artist, trying to ingratiate himself into the community. I'm trying to find out which it is.

 

And it's absolutely nothing personal. I hope that you can learn to control your temper and not overreact to situations like this.

 

You should be extraordinarily glad you're on the coin side. On the comic side, you would have been throroughly shredded for this behavior.

 

that you don't know what you are really talking about. I can't cancel anything, the seller has to, I DID my part and I am WAITING on the SELLER.

 

Sigh. It's hard to get you to comprehend, but I hold out hope. The comment was whether or not the seller can cancel the listing and get their postage fees back in time. Since you, yourself, said the transaction was still up in the air, PENDING the seller's response, the seller has no reason to think the transaction is pending at all.

 

Yes, I understand that you can't actually DO anything until the seller responds. But that wasn't the point. The statement to YOU was to go ahead and tell the seller you want to cancel the transaction PRIOR to the coins being sent out, since it seems assured that you will just return the coins anyways, which will waste postage both ways, and to do it as soon as possible, so the seller doesn't lose their ability to refund the postage.

 

Good luck. Again, I mean that seriously. Self control is a good thing.

 

[CoinPulsive PCM]

What? Like YOU have never said something that was "inappropriate"?

 

No. Once eBay instituted that rule, I have not left "non-positive" feedback for any buyer. I follow the rules, because I am not better than everyone else.

 

I will say this ONE MORE TIME, I don't care about your "Feelings" on this issue. Who are you to tell me what to do?? And obviously you are more of a policy Nazi that eBay seeing as I have YET to hear from ebay regarding the issue.

 

 

hmm well I guess YOU did not read where I said I MESSAGED HIM ON SATURDAY THE 21st. the sellerr printed the label on the 20th. He HAS YET TO REPLY SO THAT ISSUE IS OUT OF MY HANDS UNTIL HE READS THE MESSAGE.

 

You DON'T NEED TO TYPE IN ALL CAPS. I can read what you write just fine without the yelling.

 

Obviously, you are so damn caught up in a personal attack on my character,

 

No, I want to know if you're a con artist. Your behavior, and disdain for eBay's rules, are red flags not in your favor. You could just be a hothead who can't control his temper. Or, you could be a con artist, trying to ingratiate himself into the community. I'm trying to find out which it is.

 

And it's absolutely nothing personal. I hope that you can learn to control your temper and not overreact to situations like this.

 

You should be extraordinarily glad you're on the coin side. On the comic side, you would have been throroughly shredded for this behavior.

 

that you don't know what you are really talking about. I can't cancel anything, the seller has to, I DID my part and I am WAITING on the SELLER.

 

Sigh. It's hard to get you to comprehend, but I hold out hope. The comment was whether or not the seller can cancel the listing and get their postage fees back in time. Since you, yourself, said the transaction was still up in the air, PENDING the seller's response, the seller has no reason to think the transaction is pending at all.

 

Yes, I understand that you can't actually DO anything until the seller responds. But that wasn't the point. The statement to YOU was to go ahead and tell the seller you want to cancel the transaction PRIOR to the coins being sent out, since it seems assured that you will just return the coins anyways, which will waste postage both ways, and to do it as soon as possible, so the seller doesn't lose their ability to refund the postage.

 

Good luck. Again, I mean that seriously. Self control is a good thing.

 

I don't I am better than everybody else. I just think some of eBays policies are one sided. "We like to believe that all of our buyers on eBay, leave honest feedback" That is what I was told by one of eBays customer service people. IMHO, I think that is rediculous beacause humans are humans. Not everyone reads 100% of a "terms of use" or "policy" before they join a website. And no, I have yet to read in full, all of eBays policies. I have seen many sellers with 1,000+ FBs who have gotten neg. FB from buyers who don't care for eBays rules at all. And you can see in the sellers response to the FBs as proof of the buyers who don't abide by eBays rules. Ebay rarely does much to help sellers and I get as far as a "we will investigate it." But I never hear anything after that, good or bad.

 

Let me ask you a question, do you ever sell to people who never leave FB for their purchases? I have several transactions where I did my part (shipped the item, left FB for prompt payment or whatever, and contacted the buyer to tell them thanks for the puchase)...The buyer never leaves FB or contacts me. I can still sleep at night, but Feedback should be required on both the sellers side and buyers side.

 

 

If LibertyandCoins would contact me and ask for me to call eBay to ask for the removal or edit of my feedback, I would gladly do so. I understand that what I said violates eBays policies, but, I haven't discussed the issue untill it was brought up here and I think if what I said was as bad as you think it is, eBay would intervene.

 

I am not at all a conartist. Feel free to go look at my last 10 or so feedbacks that were left by buyers. Also, on here in the BST forum, I have done transactions with a few members here and they went well on both ends. I can give you their user IDs if you would like to ask them about my conduct durring and after transactions.

 

I also, understand that some of what I said was "flip-flopping" in regards to the feedback for the two coins of this thread.

When it is all said and done, here is what I plan to do if the coins are not as they appear in the photos: Once the seller responds to my message, if he has not yet put my coins in the mail, I will tell him I want to cancel the transaction and refund me everything except the shipping cost and the final value fee if he cannot get a credit through eBay.

 

Here is my message to the seller:

Dear stampandcoinplace,

Hi, I have a question about the two coins I purchased. Is the rainbow colors on the Dime and Quarter toning or a result of a high res. scan? I bid thinking that the coins are toned, it doesn't matter a whole lot if they are or are not, but I would like to know before I have them in hand.

Thanks!

Dave

 

 

-Dave

[RockMyAmadeus]

Alright. There are still some rough edges, but there's progress. A willingness to admit one's error is a large step in the right direction.

 

Bravo!

 

[CoinPulsive PCM]

And RockMyAmadeus..

What you said in your reply to my PM is again, just blind statements and conclusions which you reached by reading text on the internet.

I really don't care about what you said because I know a lot of people who wouldn't agree with what you said.

 

Some of the things you said:

"You think that none of your problems are because of you, they're all someone else's fault."

 

You are using this one thread and one topic to create a conclusion that is false.

 

"You speak foolishness and nonsense borne of ignorance. Critical thinking, reason, logic...these are foreign things to you."

 

Would you like the contact info for my Fire Cheif and LT? How about my four college professors from when I studied for my Emergency Management degree, and my highschool math, science, history, shop and english teachers? Or Senator Richard Blumenthal, Christopher Dodd, and Nancy Pelosi, to name a few very important people whom I know personally through my mother who works in the Conn. Legislative system.

 

My point is that, all those people would harshly disagree with you, and they would say exactly what I said. You are judging somebody who you don't know anything about.

 

"You make poor choices in life, and then dare other people to challenge you."

 

I challenge myself so that I become a stronger individual. I am not saying I am perfect, but I am not saying I am a horrible person. I do like when I have an intellectual conversation with another person. I am always open to hearing new ideas or views if they make sense and are not baseless.

Setting goals and priorities and striving to accomplish them I don't call that making poor choices. A failed attempt is better than not even trying, I believe in that. Getting hooked on Heroin, that is a poor choice, I have not done anything of the sort.

 

"No one has judged you, other than according to your behavior demonstrated here."

 

I think anyone with a reasonable mind would think that by saying someone makes poor choices in life, when it is infact, 100% false is judging someone. Pretty much, everything you said in your reply to my PM was you judging my character and person.

 

Judge:

transitive verb

- to form an estimate or evaluation of; especially : to form a negative opinion about

-to hold as an opinion : guess, think

 

intransitive verb

-to form an opinion

 

 

-Dave

 

 

 

[CoinPulsive PCM]

Alright. There are still some rough edges, but there's progress. A willingness to admit one's error is a large step in the right direction.

 

Bravo!

 

.... I have no contest to admitting when I am wrong or make mistakes. I am not in denial. Maybe you should take a moment and then do the same. Just a suggestion.

 

-Dave

[RockMyAmadeus]

And RockMyAmadeus..

 

 

 

Sigh. Still need to learn when to take a win when you get one, I see.

 

Good luck.

[CoinPulsive PCM]

^^I would say that if this was a battle I would have claimed overall victory.

Just like when I am at the Black Jack tables, I don't get greedy and quit while I am ahead, which, Is what I am going to do now.

 

I am glad some members here like Jom, offered excellent advice as well as clarified some things that I said. Although, I think he doesn't think I saw his threads while pre-occupied with you and a few others.

 

Enjoy the week!

-Dave

[RockMyAmadeus]

 

You're a piece of work, I'll give you that. Reality's got nuthin' on CoinPulsive CPM.

 

That you think of it as a "battle" at all is why you lost before you even began.

 

Good luck.

 

(thumbs u

[CoinPulsive PCM]

 

You're a piece of work, I'll give you that. Reality's got nuthin' on CoinPulsive CPM.

 

That you think of it as a "battle" at all is why you lost before you even began.

 

Good luck.

 

(thumbs u

 

Actually, I said that if this were a battle, not this was like a battle.

 

-Dave

[RockMyAmadeus]

[bochiman]

Threads like this are sad.

 

PRIVATE messages are not kept private.

People make ebay feedback threats to sellers who aren't even on the boards/part of the thread.

People jump to conclusions and jump off the handle at the flick of a button.

People don't know when to let something go, admit they were wrong, and just shut up and take responsibility without trying to divert things or try to make it like they were wronged.

 

Doesn't matter if the desciption has one word, one sentence, or one hundred sentences....unless they were purposefully and noticeably trying to be deceptive, then it is up to the buyer to read and understand the auction/rules/and pictures.

 

Sending a message, after the auction is over, to clarify something, is bogus. At this low of a value (I even put the value of that to be something between $50-$75, not $25), eat it and learn. Resell for some funds back or just donate to a YN or a board giveaway. Make a few friends rather than alienate folks.

 

 

I will say, nothing I have seen has changed my opinion from previous posts, but it is still sad.

 

 

[HCumberdale]

I agree with Bochiman.

 

I am reminded of three important principles or mantras:

 

1. Keep your head up and your heart open

2. Go slowly

3, Be easy

 

I have found I benefit much more in life when I follow these principles. Keeping this coin related, I find that I learn more, make better purchases, develop better contacts, and generally feel better about this hobby when I am following these principles.

 

[jom]

I agree with Bochiman.

 

I am reminded of three important principles or mantras:

 

1. Keep your head up and your heart open

2. Go slowly

3, Be easy

 

I have found I benefit much more in life when I follow these principles. Keeping this coin related, I find that I learn more, make better purchases, develop better contacts, and generally feel better about this hobby when I am following these principles.

 

(thumbs u

 

jom

[CoinPulsive PCM]

I agree with Bochiman.

 

I am reminded of three important principles or mantras:

 

1. Keep your head up and your heart open

2. Go slowly

3, Be easy

 

I have found I benefit much more in life when I follow these principles. Keeping this coin related, I find that I learn more, make better purchases, develop better contacts, and generally feel better about this hobby when I am following these principles.

 

(thumbs u

 

jom

 

I moved on yesterday.

Also, the seller (of the topic here) Replied and confirmed it is because of the scanner. He did admit that after review of the images, it could be confusing and if I am not satisfied I can return the coins.

 

I told him I do plan to keep them and I appreciate his understanding of the issue.

 

Also in response to the YN/ donate comment. Where can I do that? On the BST forum? I have a bunch of MS60's ANACS errors and other coins that I have had for too long and they need homes.

 

-Dave

[HCumberdale]

Dave,

 

If you went to CFCC there is a very active YN group there. They would appreciate anything you have to give. I have given items in the past, and they always go to good use.

[e1cnr]

Some people would pay a few bucks to see a monkey p$ss on a rope,

others don't mind watching but do not want to pay.

 

I tend to notice the guys that make the most noise/complaints are the biggest crooks, who want to always be the screwer. A wash is not good enough for them, if they don't clearly have a win, they make alot of noise, justifying their error.

 

People like that, I prefer never to do business with, although sometimes you have no choice.

[mumu]

I would pay a few bucks to watch a monkey do just about anything.

[CoinPulsive PCM]

Some people would pay a few bucks to see a monkey p$ss on a rope,

others don't mind watching but do not want to pay.

 

I tend to notice the guys that make the most noise/complaints are the biggest crooks, who want to always be the screwer. A wash is not good enough for them, if they don't clearly have a win, they make alot of noise, justifying their error.

 

People like that, I prefer never to do business with, although sometimes you have no choice.

 

 

Yes well...

The person who teaches a monkey how to p$ss on a rope is a smart man who will hear "why didn't I think of that!" while people throw dollars in his hat. (thumbs u

 

-Dave

[CoinPulsive PCM]

Also, if you are refering to me as a "Crook" you are mistaken.

 

-Dave