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Leothelion

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What do you think is happening with this coin? (See attachment!) I just won this on ebay and haven't seen it yet but NGC graded it MS65 with a "Star"! And I believe there is something happening on the reverse in the upper field. It just might be a reflection or die polishing. Suggestions anyone?

 

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TomB

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It looks like die burn. I'd be more concerned with what appears to be parallel, diagonal lines across TJ's face.

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Leothelion

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Thanks for yor input! After 25 downloads and one response I must confess, I bought the coin because I believe the obverse may be frosted and the dark fields may be deep mirrors like a proof coin. A frosted prooflike 64-D is possible because I have owned a couple. On the reverse, I was thinking perhaps the markings, especially the round thing that looks like the letter D was part of a die clash but that doesn't seem likely since the letter D should look inverted......no wait.... that's not right.....I better wait until I get the blessed thing. More later!

 

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I'd have to agree with EVP, Leo, but if NGC gave it a star, then it's gonna be a pretty coin. Also, if you stare long and hard enough at a picture, you might be able to discern what is being spoken of in a description, but you'll need a good description to go with it.

 

With some manipulation, I think I have the coin closer to what you might expect. Still, the picture is highlighting flaws that probably are very subtle in person.

 

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As for the coin, I think it will be a coin like you describe - with mirrored fields. It looks to me like the obverse devices have some mild cameo, much like a nice piece of the same date and mint mark that Greg M. sold me a while back. (I have that coin, however.) The reverse appears more brilliant overall.

 

As for what Tom is calling "die burn," I looked that up (since I was unfamiliar) and I'm not sure that's how it's commonly used:

 

"DIE BURN - - A break (slight roughness) in the surface of a coin at its high points. Appears at first to be a form of wear but in fact is the result of an insufficient strike or poor planchet so the resulting coin fails to be completely struck."

 

Looking at the picture closely, I'm not so sure that "scuff" (or whatever) is on the coin, as it looks a bit reflective to me. If it is, it's probably minor and shows up WAY better in the scan than in person.

 

Overall, I'd expect a nice coin in the mail. tongue.gif

 

Hoot

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I suspect that this coin was photographed through mint set cello and that it's the plastic that has the deformations in it. Note that it looks very much like a "D" under the "S" in pluribus. This "D" is probably impressed into the plastic from the "D" in united and the coin has since rotated.

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NGC will often give the Star designation to coins that do not make full prooflike status, but that are very close. In such cases I have actually seen ugly coins make the star because of their semi-PL luster. That nickle looks at least semi-PL so I think NGC gave it a star for that reason. As for eye appeal, it is probably nice, but not necessarily beautiful, in this case, again, because it's the PL luster that earned it a star.

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Leothelion

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It looks like die burn. I'd be more concerned with what appears to be parallel, diagonal lines across TJ's face.

 

Thanks Tom

Yes, I saw that but the sacrifices one needs to make to hopefully land another somewhat unique coin and for only 10 bucks! Of course, I'm counting my chickens here before..........

 

Here's one that I have (See attachment!) Seen by many here already! This one has a diagonal scratch on the coat that is long as the day is long!

 

Leo

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I suspect that this coin was photographed through mint set cello and that it's the plastic that has the deformations in it. Note that it looks very much like a "D" under the "S" in pluribus. This "D" is probably impressed into the plastic from the "D" in united and the coin has since rotated.

 

This one's in a NGC holder but I've had that embarrassly happen to me once..........long story! 27_laughing.gif

 

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I don't find the picture flattering of the coin...

 

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You just need that bit of intuition that tells you something deep inside that nobody else knows.........yes the coin is likely a dog and I probably wouldn't have paid any attention to it less the markings on the reverse. It doesn't have any steps, the reverse is poorly strucked. At the moment, it's more of a curousity piece. At $10 and if it's frosted and the markings don't pan out to anything, I'll get my 10 bucks back someday but Hoot said it will likely be a nice coin! 893crossfingers-thumb.gif

 

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NGC will often give the Star designation to coins that do not make full prooflike status, but that are very close. In such cases I have actually seen ugly coins make the star because of their semi-PL luster. That nickle looks at least semi-PL so I think NGC gave it a star for that reason. As for eye appeal, it is probably nice, but not necessarily beautiful, in this case, again, because it's the PL luster that earned it a star.

 

Likely the case here since the reverse looks weak!

 

Hoot

Is your coin in an ANACS holder? I remember Greg mentioning this type of coin a while back but years ago I lost one in the mail from the Ramapaugh auctions that were run by the Sisti's in NJ if I remember that right! There were only a couple non-FS certified and one FS at that time but more then that exist. I have that feeling it will surface somewhere, someday. I also lost a 1939 ANACS PF67 type one in that same mail auction but it had 6 wavy steps.

Thanks for the good info on my coin.

 

Leo

 

And here's another that I won from the greattoning guy! See attachment! I was really hopeing I got siped on this one and the underbider's user name was snip-something. As I didn't like the idea that the steps weren't as nice as I would have liked them but I guess the toning is what sold me.

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My coin is in an NGC holder and Greg sold it to me raw. It is very pretty and has the same mild cameo effect that your coin seems to possess on the obverse. I had it graded and it got the star designation.

 

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Leo, nice coin or not, * or not, whatcha doin buyin non-FS MS coins? Have ye faltered from the True Way? confused.giffrown.gifmad.gif Have I lost a true affectionado compadre? frown.gif

 

Now the 44 is a different story! The toning is fantastic but it looks to be FS!

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Leo, nice coin or not, * or not, whatcha doin buyin non-FS MS coins? Have ye faltered from the True Way? confused.giffrown.gifmad.gif Have I lost a true affectionado compadre? frown.gif

 

Now the 44 is a different story! The toning is fantastic but it looks to be FS!

 

It will make it the 6th or 7th 44-D for my collection! 893whatthe.gif

 

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Well folks, I've received exhibit A and B in the mail this morning. The 64-D looks just like the pic in the attachment but with the slightest hint of frost or contrast, whatever you may call it....semi-proof fields.......the coin looks very nice........two steps........

The 46-D is an overtoned rustic red, orange, gold and purplish brown, less than full strike but shows alot of detail, virtually clean profile and fields, tiny nick on 4th step, steps are representable with strike, may be out of a original mint set! wink.gif

 

Leo

 

I'm also starting to like these NGC holders! smile.gif

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And here's another that I won from the greattoning guy! See attachment! I was really hopeing I got siped on this one and the underbider's user name was snip-something. As I didn't like the idea that the steps weren't as nice as I would have liked them but I guess the toning is what sold me.

 

Well folks, I was wrong! See attachment! This coin is awesome and has full steps! Why SEGS graded it only as a MS65 is beyond me! The profile/cheek is very clean of marks! The strike is strong! The color is MS67! There is a small nick on the earlobe and a couple of very light and small nicks in the fields. This coin looks as great if not better than my $320 MS67 6 step 44-D in my collection!

 

Leo

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