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RWB

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So....Senden is not sendin' ?

 

Fake money orders are a big money maker for fraudsters; maybe patience is in order?

 

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FishyOne

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USPS Money Orders can be quickly verified online or via the phone.

 

I don't know about Western Union. Maybe you check on their verification methods and let the seller know of them?

 

I agree, 10 days sucks without prior notice that the seller would be holding it that long.

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bochiman

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Of course, you had pre-approval for the Western Union money order, and the hold contingency, before you sent it and made the deal, right?

 

I am sure you asked all those pertinent questions ahead of time to the dealer, as you are that type of person, right? The type to know that Western Union money orders are some of the most frauded types of payments and that coin dealers may be leary of them.

 

You've been around the block a bit, so I am sure you did due diligence on payment methods the dealer prefers, that map to what you wanted to use, and the pros/cons of each, right?

 

I mean, I am not as experienced as you and those would be the first things I would go through....and I wouldn't think 10 days is as big a deal unless I were worried about the dealer skipping town or I was trying for a quick flip.

Do either of those apply?

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JIM F.

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Of course, you had pre-approval for the Western Union money order, and the hold contingency, before you sent it and made the deal, right?

 

I am sure you asked all those pertinent questions ahead of time to the dealer, as you are that type of person, right? The type to know that Western Union money orders are some of the most frauded types of payments and that coin dealers may be leary of them.

 

You've been around the block a bit, so I am sure you did due diligence on payment methods the dealer prefers, that map to what you wanted to use, and the pros/cons of each, right?

 

I mean, I am not as experienced as you and those would be the first things I would go through....and I wouldn't think 10 days is as big a deal unless I were worried about the dealer skipping town or I was trying for a quick flip.

Do either of those apply?

 

There is something seriously wrong with you.

 

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Mark T

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Bought a coin from a major dealer. Says he will not ship coin because he insists on holding my Western Union money order for 10 days.

 

WTF???

 

I say, I won't buy from him again. This is ridiculous.

 

The dealer is Mark Senden.

 

Perhaps I should just tell him to F-off and return my money.

 

What do you think?

 

 

 

 

Maybe you need to read the terms on the dealers web page before you slander his name on a public message board.

http://www.collectorscorner.com/dealer/default.aspx?dealerId=115&pt=1

 

 

 

 

 

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JIM F.

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Slander? The truth is not slander.

 

The truth is the truth.

 

Perhaps you should read the constitution. And if give me the right to call you a person_too_unaware_of_social_graces.

 

 

 

 

 

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delta

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Strangely, Western Union Money Orders, which can be purchased at most supermarkets and many department stores, are tough to cash for real money. For example, K-Mart sells Western Union Money Orders to buyers, but if somebody sends you one, and you bring it into the store with several good picture IDs, plus your passport and birth certificate, K-Mart will NOT cash it for you. Same thing with all the supermarkets around here, they sell but will never buy. Therefore, a recipient of a WUMO probably has to bring it over to a bank, and banks still usually won't cash them for money, unless they can do so by putting a hold on your account, but will hold them for clearing, just as if they were personal checks, and unfortunately even longer than personal checks.

 

Maybe just out of curiosity, but preferably for the sake of our discussion here, please get on the phone, and call around in your own local geographic area, and see if you can find a place where they will give you cash for a Western Union Money Order. And if you find a place, ask if they will give you the full amount, or deduct a fee and percentage. Then, please report back to us. After your report, let's continue the discussion. Thanks!

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brg5658

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It appears his terms are clear. States in plain English that Checks and Money Orders require 10 days to clear. What are you mad about?

 

10 days is nothing if he has the coin you are looking for.

 

 

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Mark T

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Slander? The truth is not slander.

 

The truth is the truth.

 

Perhaps you should read the constitution. And if give me the right to call you a person_too_unaware_of_social_graces.

 

 

 

 

 

Jimbucks – I can see you have anger issues and don't have a clue about how to interpret freedom of speech as enabled by our constitution . I won’t waste my time explaining why what you posted might be considered slander – I don’t think you would understand it. Next time read the terms before you decided to purchase something. Maybe I should send a link to this coin dealer about your post – that way he can make his own assessment.

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wheat'swheats

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Bought a coin from a major dealer. Says he will not ship coin because he insists on holding my Western Union money order for 10 days.

 

WTF???

 

I say, I won't buy from him again. This is ridiculous.

 

The dealer is Mark Senden.

 

Perhaps I should just tell him to F-off and return my money.

 

What do you think?

 

 

 

I just read his terms which states he accepts paypal. I am selling a few items on several web sites and the scammers are asking for my pay pal account, because it is safe. One of these people is the same "person" ( he goofed) who sent me a forged check for $2000 more than the item asking price and was a forged check. So now there is just about no way to have safe dealings over the internet. I called paypal and was told that the scammers account was one that had been high jacked and had been closed and all pass words changed. What it boiling down to is that if you don't know someone personally you have to be careful.What I do now is use a credit card and pay it off every month so no intrest. The seller takes visa so just put it on your card.

wheat

 

Maybe you need to read the terms on the dealers web page before you slander his name on a public message board.

http://www.collectorscorner.com/dealer/default.aspx?dealerId=115&pt=1

 

 

 

 

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Coinbuf

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While I can certainly understand that you dont want to wait his terms are clear with a 10 hold for money orders. If I were you I'd respect the terms and wait the ten days, if this bothers you in the future you can choose not to buy from this dealer.

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lehigh96

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Ya know, if you provide him with a credit card number, I bet he would take a hold on your card and ship the coin right away and only charge your cc if the money order didn't clear.

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bochiman

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Ya know, if you provide him with a credit card number, I bet he would take a hold on your card and ship the coin right away and only charge your cc if the money order didn't clear.

 

With all the issues the OP seems to "run into", the seller may be better off if the transaction does get cancelled. I know that I would never want to deal with someone like the OP.

 

As people have said, the "customer is NOT always right".

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messydesk

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Perhaps you should read the constitution. And if give me the right to call you a person_too_unaware_of_social_graces.

Hmm... Looks like NGC didn't give you the right to call someone something.

 

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WoodenJefferson

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I have the distinct feeling this thread is headed into the crapper.

 

The seller maybe over cautious, but then again if your a first time buyer, it is their option to hold shipping until the dust settles. Others with out scruples have made the honest persons suffer unwarranted consequences.

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bsshog40

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I agree with the others. The terms are pretty clear.

 

Images available upon request. Ask for Mark Senden @ 1-800-927-7273. 5 day return privilege. $10 Insured Shipping and Handling on all Certified coin orders. Shipping and Handling will be determined per transaction on Bullion Orders. We accept Visa, MC, Discover and Amex through Paypal. Check or Money Orders need to clear 10 business days or use PayPal for faster service. Sorry No Credit Cards on Bullion Orders.

 

I can understand if you over-looked this and got upset, but I see no reason to out this seller as doing any wrong-doing. Just try to relax and if the coin is something you really want, it'll get to ya. I seen some very nice Newps you showed earlier. Enjoy those for a bit Jim and take it easy my friend!!

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delta

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I've already commented above about how it's almost impossible to encash Western Union Money Orders.

 

But here's an added perspective. Jim F. is evidently a specialist in proof Franklins, and if his purchase was one of those, the coin is then around 50 years old, and has been on hold for all that time, five decades, over 18,000 days. Another ten days is such a trivial time by comparison. Especially since there can be various other causes for delays of a week or ten days, such as vacations, emergencies and postal inefficiencies, in addition to this situation with the seller apparently just automatically following through on his hold time policy, and not investigating to see if the buyer was a known numismatist with reliable credentials.

 

Only today I had the opposite experience. I sent a money order to a seller here in our NGC Money Marketplace, to someone who doesn't know me, and he then tried and was unable to cash it, but sent the coin to me immediately anyway. I told him I'd not have minded at all if he had waited ten days.

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MarkFeld

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This just pisses me off - starting a thread, complaining and slamming a seller, for sticking with his clearly stated terms of sale.

 

:devil:

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Elbesaar

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Even Western Union is not taking their own money orders -

there is a plague of fakes out there. Most banks will

take them and release funds in 10-12 days.

 

I don't blame the seller.

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bochiman

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Sigh......all you guys are doing a great job at harshing a really good attempt at an illogical rant......I just hate starting a rant thread and not having anyone agree with me because of my own lack of knowledge and common sense.

 

rantrant

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