Fugio Cent question

[JIM F.]

My coin says "States United" is this any different that the TPG Fugios designated "United States" on the holder?

[No+4Me]

The circular device in the center of the reverse (called "the label") has either "united states" or "states united" reading from left to right. That's one way to designate the reverse variety; I guess some people collect them that way. That's a beautiful Fugio, by the way.

[James_OldeTowne]

As stated above, there is a difference, and the RedBook discerns between them as major collectable die varieties.

[JIM F.]

Thanks. Which is rarer, or are they about the same? I think it is interesting that I bought this from Heritage but they don't include it in their sales database.

 

 

[BKW]

Thanks. Which is rarer, or are they about the same? I think it is interesting that I bought this from Heritage but they don't include it in their sales database.

 

 

The NGC census shows 334 total graded for "States United" but only 62 total graded for "United states" (that is for the 4 CINQ P.R. FUGIO)

 

[CyberspaceVoid]

I am not totally sure, but the government was in a state of flux at this time. Perhaps those labelled "States United" were issued before the Constitution was signed and those noted "United States" were minted after. Just a thought

[CyberspaceVoid]

... you got me curious, and so I started looking around on the web . A good history of the Fugio Cent can be found here .

Perhaps NGC looks at the weight to make the naming judgement?

[messydesk]

When considering which is more rare, note that Fugios are collected by die marriage, so it is possible (although I don't know, myself) that all "UNITED STATES" die marriages are both more common and more scarce than many of the "STATES UNITED" die marriages.