Waite Raymond Boards

[1946hamm-migration]

I have been collecting for years and see many people buying the Waite Raymond holders to put coins in to get toning. I may be wrong but since the album pages are at least 30-40 years old would't most if not all of the sulphur in the cardboard already have evaporated or leeched out of the paper? I have some Raymond pages with proof Jeffs in them and there is no toning or very little. They have been in the pages for 35 years.

 

I would expect toning if the pages were new and all the sulphur in the paper was fresh, but I don't see how after all these years there could be much chemical to leech out and tone a coin. I would like to know if my thinking is correct or is there a way to activate the toning process on old dried out cardboard?

 

Any comments from some of you experts as to why toning will still occur will be appreciated.

 

Thanks,

 

Have a good day,

 

Gary

[TomB]

Howdy. If you read my post in this thread on the same topic you will see that I agree with you.

[TonerGuy]

I actually have a set of silver Roosies that I just placed in a Wayte Raymond album 6 months ago that is already starting to tone. The coins are getting the first signs of brownish/golden toning. I also have a partial Peace $ set in a WR Boards that is starting to look "dirty" however I can't tell if its toning that is starting. The surfaces don't have that precolor brownish look, but they are having something affect them.

 

And I also have a modern commem set that is not doing anything, which kinda of suprises me, but the other 2 are in my safe while this one is outside of it and that might make the difference.

 

Who really knows, but I say yes a WR album could still tone coins. Chemicals don't evaporate as quickly as you think. Arsenic can still be found in a corpse years later.

 

Michael

[Newmismatist]

I actually have a set of silver Roosies that I just placed in a Wayte Raymond album 6 months ago that is already starting to tone.

 

Michael

 

When these coins are finished "toning" are they AT or NT?

 

 

[Oldtrader3]

If they BB'ed all the coins that have toned in Wayte Raymond albums as AT, there would certainly not be very many NT slabbed coins!

[TonerGuy]

There's no doubt in my mind that they will be NT. The true and only definition of AT is purposeful application of chemicals, heat or another medium which is meant to add colorful toning to a coin in an accelerated and repetitive manner so that one can defraud another.

 

I suspect it will take "years" for these coins to tone whether I place them in a sunny window or leave them in my safe. If coin doctors relied on Wayte Raymond albums to tone coins, they'd go broke waiting! And I'm sure the best I can hope for is maybe a 1-6 coins out of an entire set to tone nicely. The others might just be a boring brown/golden color. A true doctor needs results that can be easily and consistently replicated. WR cannot provide that, nor can any other environment that naturally tones coins.

 

Why aren't people stocking canvas bags with blast white Morgan dollars and sticking them in vaults for 20 years?

 

Michael

[ArtR]

Also, the atmospheric environment that the pages, with coins, were stored in had quite a bit to do with the toning that developed. So, you could have pages that have retained a high sulfur content, but, if you do not store them in an environment conducive to toning, you will not get much toning.

 

This is from TomB's post in the other Thread and is an often overlooked element that is so very important in the toning process.