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PCGS body bags trade dollar

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Not much news here, except a couple of the forum members really wanted this particular coin and I'm the one that sold it to the submittor (via auction).

 

The coin in question was in a first generation PCGS AU58 holder and was fully lustrous with just a hint of rub - an MS62 by today's standards. Upon resubmission - BODY BAG for cleaning. I guess it was that mysterious reaction with the ring in the holder that caused an in-holder cleaning! wink.gif

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TDN,

 

Is this that really outstanding one that sold at public auction a few months back that Shiroh and I both commented on the quality, and the fact that it brought a huge premium to the slabbed price?

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TDN,

 

IMO, whoever PCGS has working for them in the grading room these days is completely off the wall and 100% inconsistent with their past grading standards. Unless of course this is being done purposely due to a new corporate policy. Whatever the case, it makes PCGS lose all credibility in my eyes as a reliable and consistent service.

 

I just sent in 4 coins from my collectors club membership, they were all coins that were previously PCGS graded and super nice for the grade. I only sent in these 4 coins because I had nothing else to submit, so I broke out 4 really nice PQ ones to see what would happen.

 

Out of the 4 coins, 1 came back 2 points lower and lost the PL designation, 1 came back 1 point lower and also lost the PL designation, 1 came back 1 point lower, and 1 came back the same grade.

 

So apparently TDN, not only can coins be mysteriously cleaned inside a PCGS holder, they can also become non prooflike and aquire bagmarks!

 

Dragon

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Sorry to hear the news TDN!!! I reckon NGC should have a look, eh?

 

I have got to agree dragon. I'm waiting for the dust to settle before I post about a fight that I'm having with PCGS right now regarding their grading standards. But I can tell you, it isnt only the dipsticks in the grading room... it goes right up to the top floor.

 

Here's a trivial example... I recently got back a bunch of Jeffersons from PCGS that were clearly 5 full steps. One graded as low as MS62! Now, I don't know about you, but I've NEVER heard of an MS62fs nickel! I think it's rare as anything out there! Most MS62 nickels are so beat up, there is NO CHANCE for the FS designation. Anyway, I got a kick out of it.

 

Hey braddick! Want a really rare Jefferson FS nickel? I don''t think there are any that have graded lower!

 

Hoot

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Well, as an underbidder on that piece, I can vouch it was nice. At that grade, Trade Dollar's generally don't look very good, with most being dipped out beyond recognition. This one was the exception to the rule.

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I've seen AU war nickels that still had FS. I've also seen some nice slider clad that still has FS.

 

PCGS also allows a lot more marks on the steps than NGC or ANACS does for the FS designation.

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Greg - You're right - I've seen some sliders with FS but they were better looking than any MS62 I've seen! Seems like they may have acquired their rub by collector's handling. Anyway, this coin is a FREAK! I love it.

 

Hoot

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Excellent Pat! I hope the Kennedy sets a record. smile.gif As for the FS Jefferson, consider it sent! Cost of grading and shipping works for me. laugh.gif I just looked at the pop reports, however, and it's not alone! frown.gif - it's a pop 2 coin (1971)! There appear to be a total of 17 Jeffs graded MS62FS with PCGS (1938 to the present) with 3 lower (all MS61's) and thousands higher. smile.gif This is a real weener of a coin. cool.gif If you still want it, just say "yup", but if not, no big deal!!!...

 

Hoot

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Maybe I can kick off a Registry with it...

 

The Full Step Slider collection!

 

Maybe I should see if PCGS would give out an AU designation to an AU58 FS 1945-D I have? Nah - they'd give it an MS designation! blush.gif

 

Hoot

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The coin in question was in a first generation PCGS AU58 holder and was fully lustrous with just a hint of rub - an MS62 by today's standards. Upon resubmission - BODY BAG for cleaning. I guess it was that mysterious reaction with the ring in the holder that caused an in-holder cleaning!

 

I thought your story would win some kind of WTF? award, but it sounds like PCGS has been all over the place lately.

 

Is this not a good time to submit to them, or has it never been a good time?

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