Revenant

23 hours ago, kbbpll said:

Whatever impact it has, up, down, or sideways, is panic-based, and I think will only last 3-6 months. Look what happened a few years ago with ebola. As soon as the election was over, it disappeared from the news. This particular virus will just become background noise after a year. Regular flu killed 80,000 people in this country in the 2017-18 season and we don't strip the grocery shelves every year over it.

If the market was otherwise healthy, I'd agree with you, but I don't think the market is healthy. I think we were close to a major recession - maybe something worse, like another credit crunch and financial crisis - before this happened. I think this has burst the mood of hope in the market and I don't think that's going to come back. But I could be wrong.

I also wanted to say that I was impressed by how well it was packed.

On 1/13/2020 at 8:02 AM, Ali E. said:

It does take time for the company to compile the award lists, order the personalized plaques, and have them shipped. It will most likely be April. We will post on the chat boards when we have a better idea of ship dates. 

It's worth reviving this thread to say I got my plaque in the mail today! And on that note:

WOW! You guys and gals rocked it this year! I don't think I've ever gotten the plaques this quickly. The plaque is here before the certificates!

I think you're going to see it hit prices. Just look at what's happening to gold. You'd normally expect gold to be heading higher as a safe-haven play but it tanked on Friday - probably because people are getting hit with margin calls.

How much? Your guess is as good as mine.

Yes.

They aren't scored usually because they are so rare people usually can't get or afford them. They are removed to make it easier for people to compete. But I would imagine yours are real.

Wow. Getting the announcement out early this year! Very curious about the pedigreed coin.

8 hours ago, Just Bob said:

Is this like when you forget to pay your water bill, and they cut it off?

(Not that I have ever had that happen, of course.)

I suppose it would be, but I don't know that much about how such things work when it comes to websites. I've never run a secure site.

Never had my water or power cut off, but there were times in 2017 when it was starting like some things where going to have to start going to pay the rent.

On 2/25/2020 at 10:01 AM, Just Bob said:

Well done, Lisa. 

Agreed. Nice move.

18 hours ago, Andrew Zebrun Iv said:

I feel much better now. Thanks for the help lisa!

While you're getting the money back for the shipping, it's probably worth noting that, since NGC charges a $10 fee per form, you probably cost yourself $20 by splitting them up. I'd recommend not doing that in the future.

I'm getting pushback and security alerts on my devices the last couple of days because the Collectors-Society page has had its security certificate expire. 

I think the cash economy will continue for a while longer. If they try to get rid of it people will just substitute something else for cash - maybe silver and gold bullion issues will circulate at that point. Or maybe they just start substituting the currency of a neighboring country that hasn't done away with cash yet. US stops printing actual bills? Accept Pesos!

People are not going to stop dealing with illicit and illegal things unless they just decide to legalize all drugs and prostitution. People are going to continue trying to cheat on taxes and welfare by taking payment in cash "under the table." Yeah. The governments of the world would LOVE completely cashless societies but people are going to resist it.

Before any of that becomes an issue though you still have to deal with the fact that, even in the US, a large percentage of the population is still "unbanked" and has no bank account and deals only in cash.

On 2/17/2020 at 12:05 PM, jimbo27 said:

it might be easier to call me 

Given the we know that scammers make fake accounts to spam these boards I REALLY don't think I'd recommend posting a phone number here publicly. I'd edit that post to remove the number.

2 hours ago, Rummy13 said:

If we don't even if they get what we saved they will just sell it for 1/4 th of what it is worth. 

If the population of collectors drops, or if their ability to pay inflated prices for collectables in a hobby drops, the prices will drop.

Honestly I think the financial nature of the hobby and hyper-competitiveness like is sometimes seen with some in the registry sometimes hurts the hobby by discouraging some. But I have no idea how to fix that.

The hobby isn't about the TPGs and MS70 moderns. It's also about whitman folders and roll hunting - and that is cheap and something my sons will be exposed to while young.

On 2/18/2020 at 12:35 PM, runner5551 said:

First time posting.  I am considering to submit a Kennedy Half for grading.  Can anyone give me an idea of the costs and time required please?

Just FYi, you can get 1964D  Kennedy Halfs graded in MS65 on ebay for $35 or less. So, unless you are confident you'll get an MS66 or better, you will likely lose money on it after fees and shipping.

Well, given that they charge a $5 fee + shipping for returning the packaging, which I'm assuming also applied to returning the COA to you, I can see why you might be a little bit cross about this outcome.

I agree with the others though, I don't see not having the COA damaging the value enough to be worth a lawyer. The hourly rate on a decent lawyer, given the time this would take... ? You might as well buy a new coin. Personally, I don't know how much the original packaging even helps you now that the coin is in an NGC holder and can't even be in the original mint packaging now and the NGC slab / label gives you a statement on authenticity without the CoA.

Every time one of these 1804 posts gets started or revived it makes me think of the phrase, "Hope springs eternal."

Those label styles and hologram stickers on the back are newer and consistent with the newer gen pronged holders but it's a bit weird that there wouldn't be reference photos in the cert look up database for coins in new gen holders.

Well... The ANACs coin isn't going to look NGC. The others would need a closer look. Is the seller / dealer well established?

I don't think they use photos to verify the coin. I could be wrong though. I don't think it matters much.

On 2/13/2020 at 10:25 AM, kbbpll said:

My password is saved on my devices, so I normally don't re-enter it. I also recall being redirected to a second login screen, and then the "We have detected 3 failed log in attempts". I figured it was just a glitch triple-pumping my credentials, sort of like machine doubling but with software.

Thanks for the update Matt.

Not the most secure approach, but I guess it works as long as you never get your computer or laptop stolen.

On 2/8/2020 at 4:18 PM, Beginner 76 said:

What is PMG

PMG is Paper Money Guarantee - the sister company of NGC.

None of the notes you're sharing would be considered a "fancy serial number." Sorry there. Even fancy serial numbers tend to not be worth much if heavily circulated.

As the saying goes, close only counts with horseshoes and hand grenades.

4 hours ago, Mokiechan said:

I have always had good dealings with MCM, glad to have you aboard, Ashley.

They do a good job being exactly what their name says they are.

I think if they really wanted these to command a premium they would have limited them more.

They can be interesting. Nothing wrong with them if you're into that. I wouldn't pay a premium for it.

3 minutes ago, Coinbuf said:

The fanboys ats don't care one iota about NGC or the accuracy of the pop reports, heck they barely care about the pop reports there. 

I understand that they don't give two hoots about us - or anyone other than themselves it seems - but I would think / hope it would bother them that other people are claiming to own their property and trying to use it to win awards and prizes.