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I know less than nothing about these, but using basic grading guidelines I would agree with the 63. Just one uninformed opinion.

Very nice. I think this is a series that is currently undervalued. If it ever catches on more it will be a good series to have. I think now is a good time to buy them.

What exactly is your question? I agree with the details grade. It also has the basic checks for it to be a legitimate 1921-D. Are you asking an approximate value? If that is the question there is no perfect answer. Given this is a key date it has more desirability. My general rule of thumb is I assume two grades down for basic details. Depending on severity I may go down much more if it is damaged or something to that extent. This coin also has a deep terminal toning spot that is irreversible, and appears to possible have had a previous dip that went too long to try to remove it during the cleaning. On the other hand it does appear to eek out full bands although close on the center. My guesstimate, and it’s just that, would be roughly $750-$1000. I think it has too many issues to go higher in mY opinion. However you never know what someone will be willing to pay. On second glance I just noticed the active PVC on the neck. That’s a problem you need to address if you can. Is it currently in a slab? If so who’s slab?

These two coins side by side can teach you a lot. Notice the difference in the rims on the two coins. Proof coins as you will see have a squared rim, and this is a good diagnostic.

See the information LemE provided on your other nickel post. I think you incorrectly assume proofs have always been struck in San Francisco. The dime on the right is a normal Philly struck proof.

There are quite a few DDRs for this year, and I see some doubling in America on the reverse. I would guess it’s mechanical doubling, but these pics aren’t sufficient to tell you much. Here is a link to all known DDRs for this one. You can see if you find an exact match. http://varietyvista.com/11 Franklin Halves/DDRs 1963.htm

I do not believe NGC will allow PCGS graded foreign coins in their registry. US coins yes, but unless it has changed very recently no on foreign. With that said I am not a foreign collector so it may have changed.

And there are the cleaning signs I was fairly certain weren’t coming though on the processed pics. I’m confident it won’t straight grade. And conservation can do nothing to reverse that. Aside from the cleaning it still wouldn’t be a 64 or 65 coin.

This is that 39 walking Lib proof I referenced. I just don’t like the obverse at all on this one. Not the best pics but you get the gist.

Agreed on the 14 vs 36. I was simply saying I like it better. I have a 39 proof walking lib half in a 67 CAC and I don’t like it at all. The reverse is nice and sharp, but the obverse is so so.

I also believe this is a very undervalued series currently. Given the mintage figures I think 36-42 proofs are a good investment currently. My opinion only. Which is why I’m very curious about this.

It does. But doesn’t it also add to your rationale? You focus a lot on the loss of detail due to over polishing the dies, but isn’t the method of strike likely to contribute as well? As you said satin proofs were struck in such a way that it would lend itself to more detail. Im just pressure testing the theory of over polishing being the only culprit. Im learning here with you. Also I would be curious to see if strike pressure SOPs changed throughout the 36-42 proof era vs those before and after. Actually all SOPs for the era suck as struck once/twice or coin press/medal press etc… Seems Sinnock was borderline desperate and seeing what would stick. Variances may be due to a range of factors. By the way I have a 1914 proof that I like 10 times more than the 36, despite the 14 being 67+ and the 36 being 68. The 36 has incredible reflectivity, but it lacks that wow factor to me. The 14 I have is beautifully toned and to me is a more attractive coin.

Perhaps. I tend to think the brilliant coin appears weaker because it is blast white. The color on the satin nickel adds the appearance of definition. This is one articulately true when we are looking at pictures Really my point is this: Is there really a difference in detail, or is it an optical illusion? The satin proofs will reflect light differently and have added shadows due to surface irregularity. I’m not arguing I’m right or wrong by the way. Just posing the question. Is it quantifiably different? Also was strike pressure consistent, or did it also change as a result of desperation to get the mirrored fields?

It is a nice album coin, but not one worth grading. Enjoy it in an album or the capsule it is in now. As far as the steps comment that you were confused about, on Jefferson nickels those with full steps are sought after. This is often an area of weakness on these coins so those with full steps demand a premium. In some years it is a very very large premium, but 50-d is a common year with full steps. The comment regarding the steps was a way of saying it was not full steps. Here is a good article to read about grading and full steps on Jefferson nickels: Learn Grading: What Are 5FS and 6FS? | NGC (ngccoin.com)

Here is my 1936 Brilliant Buffalo proof, and I do not see loss of detail myself. What am I missing? I surely agree about the deep mirroring as this is one of the most deeply mirrored proofs I have seen. I just do not see loss of detail, but I could be wrong.

Welcome to the forum. To start with please post good clear pics of both sides of any coin you have a question about. To answer your questions even though I see a small portion of each the answers is an easy no. Neither would be worth the cost of the grading after they are in a slab.

It’s a shame Ellsworth didn’t win. His collection is amazing. He is a staple at the shows across the south and I seem to get booths with or close to him often. I usually call him butternut because his dealership is called butternut coins. Always telling a good joke, and sometimes they are even fitting for mixed company 😂

@Shawn11 can you post more pics? No editing just straight on pics with decent lighting? Don’t worry about putting circle cropping into a background. In the current pictures we can’t see a lot of fine detail particularly in the fields or fine lines. It’s too smoothed in these pics if that makes any sense. We can give you a much better idea if you can do that.

I’m with Coinbuf I don’t see anything that conserving would impact. I don’t believe NGC would in any way say this is a candidate. I also agree that this is not a 65 coin. I believe these pictures actually show the coin better than it is.

Agree with the others. Study this coin and you can learn a lot from it. The mechanical doubling in UNITED is about as textbook as it gets. Compare that to pictures of actual doubled die coins. You will learn with a little practice to quickly differentiate the two in most cases. Some are tricky but this one isn’t at all.

The dean was, I’m not sure if he still is, a classmate of my grandfathers. I assume he is no longer since my grandfather passed several years ago. But I used to always chuckle when we talked to him because his last name was Dean. He was dean Dean. My grandfather stopped by any time we were near Birmingham and took me to the pharmacy school. He also had me counting pills in his pharmacy as a kid grooming me to be a pharmacist and go to his alma mater. Imagine his disappointment when I finally told him I got bored counting to 30 all day and wanted to do something else. I stuck with pharmaceuticals but went the business route. It’s also funny when I hear comments like the original. My grandfather was the youngest of 8 kids, his father died before he can remember him, and was a depression era baby. If anyone was deemed to not get an education and be a “waste” as was said he would be the poster child. Instead he was valedictorian of his high school, still the only person to be captain of all 3 major sports, all while hitchhiking to and from school. He went very early to light the heaters and such before school in return for a free lunch. He then went to college at the university of Alabama on a full sports scholarship in football. While playing football he double majored in chemistry and biology, and graduated on time. Not satisfied he worked full time and went on to pharmacy school paying his own way. He ended up with 3 degrees, and still one of the most intelligent men I have met. I work with fortune 100 execs all day and I still contend that. He ran his own successful pharmacy until retirement and was very involved in the community. He also was president of the Alabama sports hall of fame until his death, which he was very passionate about. This is one of many such personal stories that make me offended when I hear how idiotic the south is and what a waste the people are. I assure you that man would blow most of the critics out of the water in education, IQ or life accomplishments.

Great pharmacy school though. I have a long history of my family going to pharmacy school there starting with my grandfather (it was Howard university then). They are top notch and extremely expensive for many degrees, but I would agree their law school is a fallback option for most. Pretty campus too. I do agree with the habitual underhanded jabs from certain forum members who then want to gloss on by it if anyone responds. I am not aware of any member of the forum that insists on adding their world views and opinions into coin discussions as much as this one. Most of the time it’s a giant leap to even open the door for such comments. Differing views are fine and bring value, but these comments add no value to the conversations at hand and only serve to feed the ego of the one commenting.

Wishing you a speedy recovery!

Not the time or the place but I would disagree largely. I have lived in many parts of the country, and simple statistics never tell a full story. For example the farmers producing the food you eat I personally would not consider a "vast waste of human talent and resources", but that isn't accounted for in the statistics you reference. I do agree the populations are largely different in many areas, including percentage of college education and career. I just fundamentally disagree it means it is a failure. I also recognize this is a coin forum and not the place for the debate.